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Most American humans and pets know the distinctive sound of an LLV trolling around the block delivering the mail. EVs are Ninja-like by comparison. I'm not sugg

Most American humans and pets know the distinctive sound of an LLV trolling around the block delivering the mail. EVs are Ninja-like by comparison. I'm not suggesting this is a bad thing, but it's gonna be a different world.

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kube-system 4y ago
EVs are kind of loud these days due to FMVSS No. 141 https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/02/26/2018-03721/federal-motor-vehicle-safety-standard-no-141-minimum-sound-requirements-for-hybrid-and-electric https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/02/26/2018-03...
- Helithumper 4y ago
  Along with having some pretty goofy sound packs, https://youtu.be/xpvQ1Y27t70 https://youtu.be/xpvQ1Y27t70 in particular that to me is super eerie.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  As the owner of two EVs, with neighbors that have various EVs and hybrids, I am actually kinda miffed at the new regulations. For a typical appliance car like a Corolla, Camry, or similar, the engine is all but inaudible unless the car is stationary. Once it is past walking speed tires quickly become what you hear. This need to make EVs loud sucks because I was really looking forward to a quieter environment. But no. Now I can tell you exactly when my neighbor two houses away is backing his Tesla into the garage, but not when his wife comes & goes in her Tahoe.
  - hot_gril 4y ago
    Same, it's like they introduced truck reverse sounds to the common driver (which they also had on Priuses but only on the inside). Should be like 80% quieter to match what an ICE would sound like.
  - pugworthy 4y ago
    As someone hard of hearing, I'm glad for it. I've been working in my driveway on something, and had my wife pull up in our EV and I don't know the car is there until she's 4' away. Glad she knew I was there.
  - jedberg 4y ago
    People were dying because they couldn't hear the cars coming. Elderly, children, hard of hearing, people just looking at their phones or otherwise visually distracted. Noise pollution is a problem but the safety issues are more important.
    - Mayzie 4y ago
      Horns are a thing?
      - jedberg 4y ago
        People are hard to see when driving. Especially children and people on sidewalks who are about to step into the street. Also if I’m backing up would you rather a muted noise or me constantly hitting my horn?
        theshrike79 4y ago
        > constantly hitting my horn India has entered the chat. =)
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      > Noise pollution is a problem but the safety issues are more important. Noise pollution has it's own consequences too, I'd like to see the numbers on people injured in the specific situation before declaring it an unambiguous good.
  - globular-toast 4y ago
    Noise pollution just isn't taken seriously yet. Manufacturers are free to implement as much noise as they like. Think about the cumulative effect of completely pointless stuff like the Windows startup sound or Apple device locked sound. Cars are some of the worst offenders, of course. They always have been. But they've become a lot worse and apparently EVs are only going to continue that trend, apparently. I've noticed the utterly pointless "door open" chiming sound has started to appear on cars sold in Europe. Why do I and everyone around me need to know the car door is open when I've literally just opened it to enter the vehicle? Again, think about the cumulative effect of all these stupid pointless noises.
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      > Manufacturers are free to implement as much noise as they like. No. They are not. Nor have they been since at least the 1990s (probably longer) There are standards for "drive-by noise" as measured at various speeds, distances and throttle positions and these standards have been in places and constantly been revised (to be more comprehensive) over time. I'm unfamiliar with the specific FMVSS #s but I am familiar with the engineering shenanigans that have been implemented to meet them.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      > the utterly pointless "door open" chiming sound Ha, that's a good example. My neighbor has a new F150 and I can tell every time he gets out of it to run back in the house to get something he forgot. Ford's chimes have been a meme for many years, and the newest ones are the best yet. And by 'best' I mean somehow musical and pleasant but also terribly irritating.
  - nextaccountic 4y ago
    Cars are too dangerous for them to be quiet, which might increase accidents. I want a quieter environment too, but one with dramatically less cars.
Daltzn 4y ago
I had this thought recently too. I was wondering how a USPS vehicle being nearly silent could impact elderly who know the sound of the vehicle to know when mail has arrived. It could result in elderly making additional trips to the mailbox increasing their risk for injury in the event of bad weather. Or could they miss getting their medication because they do not think mail was delivered. Where I live mail is not always delivered on the same time even weekly. Without hearing the distinct sound of the mail truck barreling down the road I would probably have to check the mailbox more than once a day.
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PartiallyTyped 4y ago
I am all for reducing noise pollution. It's quite a transformative experience to move from a lower floor apt where you are bombarded with sound up to a higher floor where the only outside sound comes from birds.

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kube-system 4y ago

EVs are kind of loud these days due to FMVSS No. 141 https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/02/26/2018-03721/federal-motor-vehicle-safety-standard-no-141-minimum-sound-requirements-for-hybrid-and-electric https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/02/26/2018-03...

Helithumper 4y ago
Along with having some pretty goofy sound packs, https://youtu.be/xpvQ1Y27t70 https://youtu.be/xpvQ1Y27t70 in particular that to me is super eerie.
rootusrootus 4y ago
As the owner of two EVs, with neighbors that have various EVs and hybrids, I am actually kinda miffed at the new regulations. For a typical appliance car like a Corolla, Camry, or similar, the engine is all but inaudible unless the car is stationary. Once it is past walking speed tires quickly become what you hear. This need to make EVs loud sucks because I was really looking forward to a quieter environment. But no. Now I can tell you exactly when my neighbor two houses away is backing his Tesla into the garage, but not when his wife comes & goes in her Tahoe.
- hot_gril 4y ago
  Same, it's like they introduced truck reverse sounds to the common driver (which they also had on Priuses but only on the inside). Should be like 80% quieter to match what an ICE would sound like.
- pugworthy 4y ago
  As someone hard of hearing, I'm glad for it. I've been working in my driveway on something, and had my wife pull up in our EV and I don't know the car is there until she's 4' away. Glad she knew I was there.
- jedberg 4y ago
  People were dying because they couldn't hear the cars coming. Elderly, children, hard of hearing, people just looking at their phones or otherwise visually distracted. Noise pollution is a problem but the safety issues are more important.
  - Mayzie 4y ago
    Horns are a thing?
    - jedberg 4y ago
      People are hard to see when driving. Especially children and people on sidewalks who are about to step into the street. Also if I’m backing up would you rather a muted noise or me constantly hitting my horn?
      - theshrike79 4y ago
        > constantly hitting my horn India has entered the chat. =)
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    > Noise pollution is a problem but the safety issues are more important. Noise pollution has it's own consequences too, I'd like to see the numbers on people injured in the specific situation before declaring it an unambiguous good.
- globular-toast 4y ago
  Noise pollution just isn't taken seriously yet. Manufacturers are free to implement as much noise as they like. Think about the cumulative effect of completely pointless stuff like the Windows startup sound or Apple device locked sound. Cars are some of the worst offenders, of course. They always have been. But they've become a lot worse and apparently EVs are only going to continue that trend, apparently. I've noticed the utterly pointless "door open" chiming sound has started to appear on cars sold in Europe. Why do I and everyone around me need to know the car door is open when I've literally just opened it to enter the vehicle? Again, think about the cumulative effect of all these stupid pointless noises.
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    > Manufacturers are free to implement as much noise as they like. No. They are not. Nor have they been since at least the 1990s (probably longer) There are standards for "drive-by noise" as measured at various speeds, distances and throttle positions and these standards have been in places and constantly been revised (to be more comprehensive) over time. I'm unfamiliar with the specific FMVSS #s but I am familiar with the engineering shenanigans that have been implemented to meet them.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    > the utterly pointless "door open" chiming sound Ha, that's a good example. My neighbor has a new F150 and I can tell every time he gets out of it to run back in the house to get something he forgot. Ford's chimes have been a meme for many years, and the newest ones are the best yet. And by 'best' I mean somehow musical and pleasant but also terribly irritating.
- nextaccountic 4y ago
  Cars are too dangerous for them to be quiet, which might increase accidents. I want a quieter environment too, but one with dramatically less cars.

Daltzn 4y ago

I had this thought recently too. I was wondering how a USPS vehicle being nearly silent could impact elderly who know the sound of the vehicle to know when mail has arrived. It could result in elderly making additional trips to the mailbox increasing their risk for injury in the event of bad weather. Or could they miss getting their medication because they do not think mail was delivered. Where I live mail is not always delivered on the same time even weekly. Without hearing the distinct sound of the mail truck barreling down the road I would probably have to check the mailbox more than once a day.

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PartiallyTyped 4y ago

I am all for reducing noise pollution. It's quite a transformative experience to move from a lower floor apt where you are bombarded with sound up to a higher floor where the only outside sound comes from birds.