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Im not sure how it was normalized to tip 20% to someone who is taking your order at a fast food restaurant but here we are… and I absolutely hate it.
by medellin 4y ago
Im not sure how it was normalized to tip 20% to someone who is taking your order at a fast food restaurant but here we are… and I absolutely hate it.
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- geodel 4y agoWell, they decided if they charge 20% as tip they will be fine dining establishment. I mean this does feel like a fine to me.
- Ekaros 4y agoAnd at that point I would expect fine dining service. Someone coming to my table asking for order. Then bringing it with condiments. And when I leave someone will come and pick up the trash.
- eyelidlessness 4y agoYour base bill is lower because it’s a built in assumption that your gratuity is part of the service worker’s pay. It was normalized for most service jobs that actually pay a living wage in the US over a long period, and it’s been extended to other jobs as they’ve become part of gig work. If you don’t like it, I agree, but we have to be willing to pay workers a decent wage to do work for us.
- geodel 4y agoWell we have to be willing to pay when we hire those worker directly. I don't find it okay that I need to pay worker separately when I am paying business for whatever product/service they provided to me.
- eyelidlessness 4y agoI don’t like it either! But I also don’t like projecting my wishes and wants onto people whose livelihood depends on accounting which is inconvenient to me.
- rootusrootus 4y agoI don't know how normal this is across the country, but in my area fast food workers are paid starting at about $15/hour, they are not the service workers getting the sub-$3 "tipping assumed" base wage.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago$15/hr was considered a living wage when that movement started approximately a decade ago. It’s not a living wage now. People aren’t getting rich on $15+tips, they’re trying to pay their bills and afford their car or transit to get to work to serve you.
- rootusrootus 4y agoSure, we can agree that $15/hr isn't enough to be considered a living wage. But it is comparable to other low-skill/manual labor jobs that don't have any exposure to customer tipping.
- eyelidlessness 4y agoSo fuck ‘em don’t pay them because tipping is bad?
- rootusrootus 4y agoI'd like to think HN is above this kind of nonsense.
- eyelidlessness 4y agoI looked back and tried to take the most charitable interpretation of your original response as I can imagine. Here’s what I came up with: I actually do want underpaid workers to be paid a living wage, but I’m consciously posting ammunition for people who want to selfishly deny them that. I don’t want to misrepresent you, but I’m grasping for more charitable interpretations than that.
- midoridensha 4y agoMeanwhile, in every other developed nation, the cost of restaurant food is significantly lower than in the US, even though servers there are paid a decent wage.
- eyelidlessness 4y agoMeanwhile workers in the US don’t live in other countries.
- midoridensha 4y agoIrrelevant. The point is that restaurant food is ridiculously expensive in America for some reason, and it shouldn't be: America is a huge food producer and exporter, so if anything, it should be cheaper to eat out in America than in other places that have to import a lot of their food (like Japan). Instead, it's the opposite. So something is fundamentally very wrong. Many other things are significantly cheaper in America too, such as electronics and cars and gasoline, so it's not a case of everything being more expensive. Even grocery store food in America is fairly cheap-to-reasonable in my experience, compared to other developed nations, it's just restaurant food that's ridiculously overpriced.
- eyelidlessness 4y agoHuh? Where people live is irrelevant to what they experience where they live??
- midoridensha 4y agoWe're talking about how ridiculously expensive restaurant food in the US is, not where people live.
- eyelidlessness 4y agoWe weren’t before, and you certainly changed the subject to that, but I’m still talking about the topic we started on. Which I know annoys people, but you replied to my comment to change the topic.