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> Or thunderbolt cables? I can assure you that counterfeit Thunderbolt cables don't work at Thunderbolt speeds. Also, power delivery is defined by USB standar

> Or thunderbolt cables? I can assure you that counterfeit Thunderbolt cables don't work at Thunderbolt speeds. Also, power delivery is defined by USB standards, not Thunderbolt.

yencabulator 4y ago
Don't change the topic, you are talking about data speed when the thread is about power delivery. Here's grandparent's Apple apologism: > I'm going to contend this isn't so much subverting EU rules but rather trying to ensure that Apple won't get blamed when someone uses a cable that can't handle the power when plugged in given that there's not a good standard out there for this and no enforcement of the "ok, there's something - try this..." Two questions: 1. (Given Apple fanboy view of world, then) why can I charge an Apple laptop with a random USB-C cable? 2. Why would that logic not apply to iPhones too?
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  Thunderbolt doesn't add power delivery, USB does. They are two different protocols, and you mentioned Thunderbolt. > (Given Apple fanboy view of world, then) why can I charge an Apple laptop with a random USB-C cable? Not that I appreciate the tone here, but yes, you could charge an Apple laptop with what you would call "random" USB-C cable, as long as it delivers the necessary wattage. That is not the issue at hand, though. > Why would that logic not apply to iPhones too? It could. But there are orders of magnitude more phones than laptops, and laptop users tend to use, well, their laptop chargers for the most part. Still, I have seen one or two laptop motherboards essentially melted, because they were overdrawing power. By the way, I never argued that Apple should create a new standard, or a new certification program. What I originally said was that I wish that Apple would prevent cables that are not PD compliant from working with their devices, because USB-IF sucks at enforcing this.

> Or thunderbolt cables? I can assure you that counterfeit Thunderbolt cables don't work at Thunderbolt speeds. Also, power delivery is defined by USB standards, not Thunderbolt.

yencabulator 4y ago

Don't change the topic, you are talking about data speed when the thread is about power delivery. Here's grandparent's Apple apologism: > I'm going to contend this isn't so much subverting EU rules but rather trying to ensure that Apple won't get blamed when someone uses a cable that can't handle the power when plugged in given that there's not a good standard out there for this and no enforcement of the "ok, there's something - try this..." Two questions: 1. (Given Apple fanboy view of world, then) why can I charge an Apple laptop with a random USB-C cable? 2. Why would that logic not apply to iPhones too?

manuelabeledo 4y ago
Thunderbolt doesn't add power delivery, USB does. They are two different protocols, and you mentioned Thunderbolt. > (Given Apple fanboy view of world, then) why can I charge an Apple laptop with a random USB-C cable? Not that I appreciate the tone here, but yes, you could charge an Apple laptop with what you would call "random" USB-C cable, as long as it delivers the necessary wattage. That is not the issue at hand, though. > Why would that logic not apply to iPhones too? It could. But there are orders of magnitude more phones than laptops, and laptop users tend to use, well, their laptop chargers for the most part. Still, I have seen one or two laptop motherboards essentially melted, because they were overdrawing power. By the way, I never argued that Apple should create a new standard, or a new certification program. What I originally said was that I wish that Apple would prevent cables that are not PD compliant from working with their devices, because USB-IF sucks at enforcing this.