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It seems like it would be trivially easy for the Police to set up stings.

standardUser 4y ago
Sure, and instead of wasting billions every year busting low-level drug dealers our governments could be going after spousal abusers and date-rapists and setting up stings for sexual assaults in high-crime areas. You know, crimes with actual victims. But preventing violence against women has always been among the lowest priorities for law enforcement. So naturally, sexual violence against men, which is far rarer, is even farther off the radar. But of course we gotta stop those pesky drugs users and small-time peddlers at any cost!
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- kansface 4y ago
  This is story about kidnappings and extortion, no? Thats actual crime with actual victims.
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    Re-read what the person wrote; this time take from it that the writer is saying 'it isn't going to happen because law enforcement have their priorities misaligned.'
- fennecfoxy 4y ago
  Idk man recently there have been calls in the UK as to "what is the police/government doing to help with violence against women" But there has never been a call for me; the short guy targeted at bars/clubs because I'm an "easy" target. Male on male violence is the highest and it's just completely ignored for "boys will be boys". Men can read the aggression & will naturally cower/back off because we know we'll get hit, I've seen women at clubs being mouthy, pushy aggressive towards dudes bc they know their chance of being hit is so low. Not dismissing violence against women, just sad that even after some form of enlightenment where the police actually help women, I'll still be out here trying not to get into altercations with drunk assholes.
iepathos 4y ago
Everything seems trivial when you trivialize the problem. Sao Paulo has an extremely high crime and violence rate aside from any dating app kidnappings. The city and country's problems extend far beyond dating apps and redirecting resources from other violent crimes to "stinging" all the bad actors on dating apps won't magically solve things for them or even reduce their overall violent crimes with their resources shifted. They've no doubt already caught multiple people performing these kinds of kidnappings, but it's just a drop in the bucket.
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  I wonder if this could be solved with a properly run NGO that works internationally with law enforcement in the most dangerous countries to setup these stings while doing most of the heavy lifting, so police can focus on the rest of their problems and just show up to arrest the sting targets. This is also the sort of problem that could get easier to deal with over time, like a pile of dirty dishes. The idea of a sting for kidnappers is like a reverse double catfish, which seems a lot more dangerous than a regular catfish like Chris Hansen might use. One difference is that there's no question of the intent of the kidnapper, since you can't categorize them as one until they _actually try to kidnap someone_. It's not like they tell you on Tinder that they're going to take your wallet and condoms before throwing you in a well (or even that you're talking to a catfish). Whereas a "pedo sting" can (sometimes controversially) label someone a "pedo" as soon as they agree to meet up with an underage decoy; there's no need to physically interact with them to elicit evidence of their guilt, unless you're Chris Hansen and/or need to film it for your vigilante YouTube channel. That difference alone is enough reason to make amateur vigilante groups a bad idea in the context of "reverse catfishing" violent criminals (not that I wouldn't watch some of these YouTube "pedo hunters" use themselves as cartel bait). And perhaps it makes it too dangerous for even an NGO. But I suspect a dedicated team of a few hundred professionals could make a difference.
  - unixhero 4y ago
    Which would be a a good way to get shot in Sao Paulo.

Sure, and instead of wasting billions every year busting low-level drug dealers our governments could be going after spousal abusers and date-rapists and setting up stings for sexual assaults in high-crime areas. You know, crimes with actual victims. But preventing violence against women has always been among the lowest priorities for law enforcement. So naturally, sexual violence against men, which is far rarer, is even farther off the radar. But of course we gotta stop those pesky drugs users and small-time peddlers at any cost!

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kansface 4y ago
This is story about kidnappings and extortion, no? Thats actual crime with actual victims.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  Re-read what the person wrote; this time take from it that the writer is saying 'it isn't going to happen because law enforcement have their priorities misaligned.'
fennecfoxy 4y ago
Idk man recently there have been calls in the UK as to "what is the police/government doing to help with violence against women" But there has never been a call for me; the short guy targeted at bars/clubs because I'm an "easy" target. Male on male violence is the highest and it's just completely ignored for "boys will be boys". Men can read the aggression & will naturally cower/back off because we know we'll get hit, I've seen women at clubs being mouthy, pushy aggressive towards dudes bc they know their chance of being hit is so low. Not dismissing violence against women, just sad that even after some form of enlightenment where the police actually help women, I'll still be out here trying not to get into altercations with drunk assholes.

iepathos 4y ago

Everything seems trivial when you trivialize the problem. Sao Paulo has an extremely high crime and violence rate aside from any dating app kidnappings. The city and country's problems extend far beyond dating apps and redirecting resources from other violent crimes to "stinging" all the bad actors on dating apps won't magically solve things for them or even reduce their overall violent crimes with their resources shifted. They've no doubt already caught multiple people performing these kinds of kidnappings, but it's just a drop in the bucket.

TechBro8615 4y ago
I wonder if this could be solved with a properly run NGO that works internationally with law enforcement in the most dangerous countries to setup these stings while doing most of the heavy lifting, so police can focus on the rest of their problems and just show up to arrest the sting targets. This is also the sort of problem that could get easier to deal with over time, like a pile of dirty dishes. The idea of a sting for kidnappers is like a reverse double catfish, which seems a lot more dangerous than a regular catfish like Chris Hansen might use. One difference is that there's no question of the intent of the kidnapper, since you can't categorize them as one until they _actually try to kidnap someone_. It's not like they tell you on Tinder that they're going to take your wallet and condoms before throwing you in a well (or even that you're talking to a catfish). Whereas a "pedo sting" can (sometimes controversially) label someone a "pedo" as soon as they agree to meet up with an underage decoy; there's no need to physically interact with them to elicit evidence of their guilt, unless you're Chris Hansen and/or need to film it for your vigilante YouTube channel. That difference alone is enough reason to make amateur vigilante groups a bad idea in the context of "reverse catfishing" violent criminals (not that I wouldn't watch some of these YouTube "pedo hunters" use themselves as cartel bait). And perhaps it makes it too dangerous for even an NGO. But I suspect a dedicated team of a few hundred professionals could make a difference.
- unixhero 4y ago
  Which would be a a good way to get shot in Sao Paulo.