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Which would be fine, if the USB-IF did any enforcement at all. "Reputable" retailers like Amazon should not be able to get away with selling unlicenced gear (in

Which would be fine, if the USB-IF did any enforcement at all. "Reputable" retailers like Amazon should not be able to get away with selling unlicenced gear (in much the same way as they shouldn't be allowed to get away with selling counterfeit).

pedrocr 4y ago
Are no brand lightning cables not a thing too?
- shagie 4y ago
  "Lightning" in the context with cable connectors is trademarked by Apple and they enforce it.
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    Do they enforce "WXBOO connector for Apple iPad" ?
rektide 4y ago
USB-IF does enforcement... for USB-IF certified cables. Personally Im super glad there are a world of much cheaper more affordable cables that work quite adequately. I do wish we could as a society defend ourselves better but certification is an expensive & absurd trust mechanism. If certification were a lower cost, faster process I'd respect it as a social safeguard, but certification isnt easy. For one, it's not one off... USB-IF has to go shopping from time to time in the wild to make sure the goods are still good. It's expensive, but for a reason. Ultimately relying on centralized trust actors, and using aggressive legalist pursuit to enforce compliance, is 100% against the spirit Im looking for. It has some upsides, but that's obvious legalistic authoritarianism, is the lawful-evil square on the D&D alignment chart. It's what I think the EU is trying to get away from! So let's talk alternatives! Personally it frustrates angers & saddens me that our systems are blanketly unobservable. USB-HID spec has really good telemetry for chargers to self-report their output voltage & current (a monitoring task many already perform). Devices ought be able to detect input voltage fairly well (and again many implicitly do, they again just dont report). Being able to see graphs of output/charger power versus input power seems like a dead simple ask, and the difference between those two is loss. Being able to make whats happening easy to see would let us all help self-police, would let us become smart informed consumers, who know how to gauge the quality of what we have & share that good information out. It should just be a standard feature in computing that objects extrospect, report; computers rhat are black boxes lack the fundamental "soft"-ness that is computings best & highest angel.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  > So let's talk alternatives! Okay! I’m happy for my hardware vendor to assure me that my cable isn’t going to set my phone on fire or do any other harmful or nefarious things. If someone else is happy to take that gamble, I sure hope it’s regulated when I’m in transit or my own home but otherwise the world is their proverbial oyster. I wish their hardware vendor cared more about their wellbeing but given existing regulatory standards I just hope more vendors are as adept and scrupulous.
  - rektide 4y ago
    What would stop you from buying your vendors products? Choice & freedom seems to present no negative, doesnt impede your scaremongering safety-clutching Stockholm Syndrome desires.
    - eyelidlessness 4y ago
      My vendor’s products haven’t harmed me in any way I can identify but if they did that would be good cause for me to reconsider them. That would also be good cause for your analysis of “Stockholm Syndrome”.
      - rektide 4y ago
        Im seeing freedom vs being trapped with criminal behaviors. Having freedom wouldnt stop you from relating to these dirtbags, freely if you want. But you shouldnt be forced to keep staying with them. So, still feeling pretty good about my analysis so far.
        eyelidlessness 4y ago
        So I’m free to prefer my vendor’s behavior and you’re free to not prefer it? Sounds like we totally agree 100%!
        4y ago

pedrocr 4y ago

Are no brand lightning cables not a thing too?

shagie 4y ago
"Lightning" in the context with cable connectors is trademarked by Apple and they enforce it.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  Do they enforce "WXBOO connector for Apple iPad" ?

rektide 4y ago

USB-IF does enforcement... for USB-IF certified cables. Personally Im super glad there are a world of much cheaper more affordable cables that work quite adequately. I do wish we could as a society defend ourselves better but certification is an expensive & absurd trust mechanism. If certification were a lower cost, faster process I'd respect it as a social safeguard, but certification isnt easy. For one, it's not one off... USB-IF has to go shopping from time to time in the wild to make sure the goods are still good. It's expensive, but for a reason. Ultimately relying on centralized trust actors, and using aggressive legalist pursuit to enforce compliance, is 100% against the spirit Im looking for. It has some upsides, but that's obvious legalistic authoritarianism, is the lawful-evil square on the D&D alignment chart. It's what I think the EU is trying to get away from! So let's talk alternatives! Personally it frustrates angers & saddens me that our systems are blanketly unobservable. USB-HID spec has really good telemetry for chargers to self-report their output voltage & current (a monitoring task many already perform). Devices ought be able to detect input voltage fairly well (and again many implicitly do, they again just dont report). Being able to see graphs of output/charger power versus input power seems like a dead simple ask, and the difference between those two is loss. Being able to make whats happening easy to see would let us all help self-police, would let us become smart informed consumers, who know how to gauge the quality of what we have & share that good information out. It should just be a standard feature in computing that objects extrospect, report; computers rhat are black boxes lack the fundamental "soft"-ness that is computings best & highest angel.

eyelidlessness 4y ago
> So let's talk alternatives! Okay! I’m happy for my hardware vendor to assure me that my cable isn’t going to set my phone on fire or do any other harmful or nefarious things. If someone else is happy to take that gamble, I sure hope it’s regulated when I’m in transit or my own home but otherwise the world is their proverbial oyster. I wish their hardware vendor cared more about their wellbeing but given existing regulatory standards I just hope more vendors are as adept and scrupulous.
- rektide 4y ago
  What would stop you from buying your vendors products? Choice & freedom seems to present no negative, doesnt impede your scaremongering safety-clutching Stockholm Syndrome desires.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    My vendor’s products haven’t harmed me in any way I can identify but if they did that would be good cause for me to reconsider them. That would also be good cause for your analysis of “Stockholm Syndrome”.
    - rektide 4y ago
      Im seeing freedom vs being trapped with criminal behaviors. Having freedom wouldnt stop you from relating to these dirtbags, freely if you want. But you shouldnt be forced to keep staying with them. So, still feeling pretty good about my analysis so far.
      - eyelidlessness 4y ago
        So I’m free to prefer my vendor’s behavior and you’re free to not prefer it? Sounds like we totally agree 100%!
        4y ago