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An interesting alternative initiative that I hope goes viral (often times things on HN do go viral). Mandate that all gas/petrol stations have at least two wor

An interesting alternative initiative that I hope goes viral (often times things on HN do go viral). Mandate that all gas/petrol stations have at least two working fast chargers (i.e. Level 3 800V) by 2030 in exchange for a gas station operating license/permit and check them monthly. Time limit caps can be imposed at 8 minutes which is equivalent to the fill up time for a gasoline based car/truck. At 5 minutes, a Hyundai Ioniq 5 can be charged up to 68 miles of range which should get you out of most situations.[1] [1] https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/eco/ioniq5/charging https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/eco/ioniq5/charging

onethought 4y ago
That only works if all the cars have decent charging circuitry on them. There are a lot of slowish charging EVs
- sokoloff 4y ago
  That at least makes it possible for a car owner to choose a car that does have a fast charging capability. If you don’t choose such a car, you don’t get fast charging which seems both fair and obvious.
  - somethoughts 4y ago
    Yes this is also not a now proposal. The thought is by 2030-35, the technology will exist to get to 80%/100 miles in 5-8 minutes. I think the automatic cut-off at 5-10 minutes similar to the time of an ICE fuel pit stop is key. Also having a human attendant who is around to ensure people aren't leaving their car unattended while hogging the fast charging EV chargers while they go off to have a 5 course dinner is also critical for both gas station owners and other users.
wintogreen74 4y ago
Lots of hubris to title your idiosyncratic proposal as an alternative to the wholesale ban on the sale of ICE cars...
- aimkey 4y ago
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- somethoughts 4y ago
  Agree - probably could have worded it better. Perhaps it should be in conjunction with other initiatives instead of replacing them. I would say the current state (although I'd imagine incrementally improving) of the Electrify America network (i.e. not working) is what prevents me (and a lot of people) from going electric. Having to charge in the middle of the night in a deserted parking lot without a human attendant to assist/report issues is also a blocker personally.[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA2qJKU8t2k&t=366s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA2qJKU8t2k&t=366s MKBHD - This is Ruining Electric Cars - The charging experience is just as important as the car experience.
moogly 4y ago
> Mandate that all gas/petrol stations have at least two working fast chargers (i.e. Level 3 800V) by 2030 in exchange for a gas station operating license/permit and check them monthly. That will just result in fewer gas stations. Most of them are already not profitable, and similar mandates that forced gas stations to pay out of pocket for new pumps (ethanol, biogas) have forced a lot of them to shut down in some countries.
- somethoughts 4y ago
  Agree. This is proposal is for the top 1% first world countries (i.e. Nordic countries, California, etc.) where the full sale ICE bans are happening anyway - so in those cases, the alternative proposal is just as bad if not worse.
- yencabulator 4y ago
  And in a world trying to minimize fossil fuel use, this is bad because...?

onethought 4y ago

That only works if all the cars have decent charging circuitry on them. There are a lot of slowish charging EVs

sokoloff 4y ago
That at least makes it possible for a car owner to choose a car that does have a fast charging capability. If you don’t choose such a car, you don’t get fast charging which seems both fair and obvious.
- somethoughts 4y ago
  Yes this is also not a now proposal. The thought is by 2030-35, the technology will exist to get to 80%/100 miles in 5-8 minutes. I think the automatic cut-off at 5-10 minutes similar to the time of an ICE fuel pit stop is key. Also having a human attendant who is around to ensure people aren't leaving their car unattended while hogging the fast charging EV chargers while they go off to have a 5 course dinner is also critical for both gas station owners and other users.

wintogreen74 4y ago

Lots of hubris to title your idiosyncratic proposal as an alternative to the wholesale ban on the sale of ICE cars...

aimkey 4y ago
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somethoughts 4y ago
Agree - probably could have worded it better. Perhaps it should be in conjunction with other initiatives instead of replacing them. I would say the current state (although I'd imagine incrementally improving) of the Electrify America network (i.e. not working) is what prevents me (and a lot of people) from going electric. Having to charge in the middle of the night in a deserted parking lot without a human attendant to assist/report issues is also a blocker personally.[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA2qJKU8t2k&t=366s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA2qJKU8t2k&t=366s MKBHD - This is Ruining Electric Cars - The charging experience is just as important as the car experience.

moogly 4y ago

> Mandate that all gas/petrol stations have at least two working fast chargers (i.e. Level 3 800V) by 2030 in exchange for a gas station operating license/permit and check them monthly. That will just result in fewer gas stations. Most of them are already not profitable, and similar mandates that forced gas stations to pay out of pocket for new pumps (ethanol, biogas) have forced a lot of them to shut down in some countries.

somethoughts 4y ago
Agree. This is proposal is for the top 1% first world countries (i.e. Nordic countries, California, etc.) where the full sale ICE bans are happening anyway - so in those cases, the alternative proposal is just as bad if not worse.
yencabulator 4y ago
And in a world trying to minimize fossil fuel use, this is bad because...?