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Lol. -17 is like summer compared to where I am (prairies). It was -19 this morning. My phone says overnight lows will be down to -25 by the end of the week.

Lol. -17 is like summer compared to where I am (prairies). It was -19 this morning. My phone says overnight lows will be down to -25 by the end of the week. That is in MARCH. Mid-winter we regularly see -30 for weeks, with occasional week-long dips to -40 and even -50 (before wind chill). EVs, as a concept, are laughed at here in winter. There are a couple Teslas in the area, literally two. They hide inside heated garages for half the year. Their owners both also own pickups. One of them owns two. The tesla is just for fun, right alongside his snowmobiles and dirtbikes.

Laaas 4y ago
Maybe ICEs have their place and don't deserve a complete ban?
- mikelward 4y ago
  Maybe we'll know by 2035 when the ban is due to take effect? And maybe car makers need an incentive to try?
babypuncher 4y ago
These are edge cases that can be engineered around, and 12 years seems like plenty of time to do that. Carving out an exception won't make these people's lives much easier. Eventually enough people will have gone electric that the economics of fuel distribution begin to deteriorate, and these people out in the boonies end up paying even more exorbitant prices for gas and diesel. We might as well rip the bandaid off quickly.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  And what? Give up personal mobility? Without cars/trucks, rural life stops. Good luck buying food in the cities if in the country farmers have to walk everywhere. EVs are not practical in our winters. The batteries would simply not survive without constant heating, which would defeat any carbon advantages they might have. And as for fuel delivery, cars are not everything. Trucks/boats/aircraft together consume vast quantities of fuels. They arent going away anytime soon. So the infrastructure will remain a while too.
  - babypuncher 4y ago
    When did I say they would have to give up cars and trucks? I said these cold weather problems could be engineered around, just as they had to be for ICE vehicles.

Laaas 4y ago

Maybe ICEs have their place and don't deserve a complete ban?

mikelward 4y ago
Maybe we'll know by 2035 when the ban is due to take effect? And maybe car makers need an incentive to try?

babypuncher 4y ago

These are edge cases that can be engineered around, and 12 years seems like plenty of time to do that. Carving out an exception won't make these people's lives much easier. Eventually enough people will have gone electric that the economics of fuel distribution begin to deteriorate, and these people out in the boonies end up paying even more exorbitant prices for gas and diesel. We might as well rip the bandaid off quickly.

sandworm101 4y ago
And what? Give up personal mobility? Without cars/trucks, rural life stops. Good luck buying food in the cities if in the country farmers have to walk everywhere. EVs are not practical in our winters. The batteries would simply not survive without constant heating, which would defeat any carbon advantages they might have. And as for fuel delivery, cars are not everything. Trucks/boats/aircraft together consume vast quantities of fuels. They arent going away anytime soon. So the infrastructure will remain a while too.
- babypuncher 4y ago
  When did I say they would have to give up cars and trucks? I said these cold weather problems could be engineered around, just as they had to be for ICE vehicles.