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That's my feelings here as well. This winter I had -17'C for 5 nights in a row, I talked to a guy who owns a 2020 Tesla, he complained his battery storage could

• sandworm101 4y ago
  Lol. -17 is like summer compared to where I am (prairies). It was -19 this morning. My phone says overnight lows will be down to -25 by the end of the week. That is in MARCH. Mid-winter we regularly see -30 for weeks, with occasional week-long dips to -40 and even -50 (before wind chill). EVs, as a concept, are laughed at here in winter. There are a couple Teslas in the area, literally two. They hide inside heated garages for half the year. Their owners both also own pickups. One of them owns two. The tesla is just for fun, right alongside his snowmobiles and dirtbikes.
  • Laaas 4y ago
    Maybe ICEs have their place and don't deserve a complete ban?
    • mikelward 4y ago
      Maybe we'll know by 2035 when the ban is due to take effect? And maybe car makers need an incentive to try?
  • babypuncher 4y ago
    These are edge cases that can be engineered around, and 12 years seems like plenty of time to do that. Carving out an exception won't make these people's lives much easier. Eventually enough people will have gone electric that the economics of fuel distribution begin to deteriorate, and these people out in the boonies end up paying even more exorbitant prices for gas and diesel. We might as well rip the bandaid off quickly.
    • sandworm101 4y ago
      And what? Give up personal mobility? Without cars/trucks, rural life stops. Good luck buying food in the cities if in the country farmers have to walk everywhere. EVs are not practical in our winters. The batteries would simply not survive without constant heating, which would defeat any carbon advantages they might have. And as for fuel delivery, cars are not everything. Trucks/boats/aircraft together consume vast quantities of fuels. They arent going away anytime soon. So the infrastructure will remain a while too.
      • babypuncher 4y ago
        When did I say they would have to give up cars and trucks? I said these cold weather problems could be engineered around, just as they had to be for ICE vehicles.
• kwhitefoot 4y ago
  That's odd. My 2015 Model S doesn't have any trouble charging at colder temperatures than that even on a single 230 V, 10 A circuit. What charge rate was he using?
• avianlyric 4y ago
  > Does banning diesel and petrol stop BEV manufacturers having incentives to improve? They will simply get the market for free and own it without having to improve batteries, charging speed and range. Why would banning diesel and petrol cars result in BEV manufacturers not competing? They would still compete with each other to build the best BEV at the lowest price, just like any other market works. Just like the competition between ICE manufacturers resulted in ICE improvements for decades before EV turned up.
  • sandworm101 4y ago
    They need to compete against other techs, against other concepts. Making one tech the single and permanent option in perpetuity is just wrong. Tech has to evolve, not just incrementally improve.
    • avianlyric 4y ago
      Who’s talking about making BEV the only option in perpetuity? Claiming we need ICE so BEVs have a tech to compete with, is like arguing in 2000 that we need the horse and cart so ICE has something to compete with.
      • sandworm101 4y ago
        Which they did. For decades horses shared the road with cars, still do in many areas. Even today they are not totally banned. Henry ford built a better product. He wasnt out there trying to make the old products illegal.
        • avianlyric 4y ago
          Big difference is the old products didn’t cause serious climate change that threatens the long term survival of our species. I think we can afford to take a minor hit of competition to avoid that fate. Unless people honestly believe that BEVs will simply stop improving if ICE vehicles aren’t around to provide “competition”.