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>> Not many people in Germany would buy a car that is effectively restricted to Germany There has to be a joke here about EVs not having the range to leave Ger

>> Not many people in Germany would buy a car that is effectively restricted to Germany There has to be a joke here about EVs not having the range to leave Germany anyway. Something like "they closed the boarders but nobody noticed as there weren't any charging ports within 100km of them".

mhandley 4y ago
Probably won't be long before it's not economical to stock petrol at many petrol stations in Norway (diesel will likely last longer due to truck use). By 2035, Norway won't be the only place. How long before people have range anxiety when driving petrol cars? Edit, because I can't reply further: perhaps this won't at first be a problem on long journeys, but if you live in a small town and the nearest petrol is 100km away from where you live, you start to have to plan your daily driving to factor in a long detour occasionally. We're really used to having fuel available everywhere. This will change, the only question is when.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  Considering most conventional cars can today drive half way across most European countries on a single tank, range anxiety won't be an issue for a long while.
- wil421 4y ago
  Google says the average age for cars in Norway is 10 years. It will be along time before petrol stations close. If banning ICEs fails because of adoption expect the black market to take care of it. Or people will import older ICEs from abroad using loopholes.
agilob 4y ago
That's my feelings here as well. This winter I had -17'C for 5 nights in a row, I talked to a guy who owns a 2020 Tesla, he complained his battery storage could not go above 21% after whole night of charging. That wasn't enough range to go to his niece birthday. Does banning diesel and petrol stop BEV manufacturers having incentives to improve? They will simply get the market for free and own it without having to improve batteries, charging speed and range.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  Lol. -17 is like summer compared to where I am (prairies). It was -19 this morning. My phone says overnight lows will be down to -25 by the end of the week. That is in MARCH. Mid-winter we regularly see -30 for weeks, with occasional week-long dips to -40 and even -50 (before wind chill). EVs, as a concept, are laughed at here in winter. There are a couple Teslas in the area, literally two. They hide inside heated garages for half the year. Their owners both also own pickups. One of them owns two. The tesla is just for fun, right alongside his snowmobiles and dirtbikes.
  - Laaas 4y ago
    Maybe ICEs have their place and don't deserve a complete ban?
    - mikelward 4y ago
      Maybe we'll know by 2035 when the ban is due to take effect? And maybe car makers need an incentive to try?
  - babypuncher 4y ago
    These are edge cases that can be engineered around, and 12 years seems like plenty of time to do that. Carving out an exception won't make these people's lives much easier. Eventually enough people will have gone electric that the economics of fuel distribution begin to deteriorate, and these people out in the boonies end up paying even more exorbitant prices for gas and diesel. We might as well rip the bandaid off quickly.
    - sandworm101 4y ago
      And what? Give up personal mobility? Without cars/trucks, rural life stops. Good luck buying food in the cities if in the country farmers have to walk everywhere. EVs are not practical in our winters. The batteries would simply not survive without constant heating, which would defeat any carbon advantages they might have. And as for fuel delivery, cars are not everything. Trucks/boats/aircraft together consume vast quantities of fuels. They arent going away anytime soon. So the infrastructure will remain a while too.

mhandley 4y ago

Probably won't be long before it's not economical to stock petrol at many petrol stations in Norway (diesel will likely last longer due to truck use). By 2035, Norway won't be the only place. How long before people have range anxiety when driving petrol cars? Edit, because I can't reply further: perhaps this won't at first be a problem on long journeys, but if you live in a small town and the nearest petrol is 100km away from where you live, you start to have to plan your daily driving to factor in a long detour occasionally. We're really used to having fuel available everywhere. This will change, the only question is when.

sandworm101 4y ago
Considering most conventional cars can today drive half way across most European countries on a single tank, range anxiety won't be an issue for a long while.
wil421 4y ago
Google says the average age for cars in Norway is 10 years. It will be along time before petrol stations close. If banning ICEs fails because of adoption expect the black market to take care of it. Or people will import older ICEs from abroad using loopholes.

agilob 4y ago

That's my feelings here as well. This winter I had -17'C for 5 nights in a row, I talked to a guy who owns a 2020 Tesla, he complained his battery storage could not go above 21% after whole night of charging. That wasn't enough range to go to his niece birthday. Does banning diesel and petrol stop BEV manufacturers having incentives to improve? They will simply get the market for free and own it without having to improve batteries, charging speed and range.

sandworm101 4y ago
Lol. -17 is like summer compared to where I am (prairies). It was -19 this morning. My phone says overnight lows will be down to -25 by the end of the week. That is in MARCH. Mid-winter we regularly see -30 for weeks, with occasional week-long dips to -40 and even -50 (before wind chill). EVs, as a concept, are laughed at here in winter. There are a couple Teslas in the area, literally two. They hide inside heated garages for half the year. Their owners both also own pickups. One of them owns two. The tesla is just for fun, right alongside his snowmobiles and dirtbikes.
- Laaas 4y ago
  Maybe ICEs have their place and don't deserve a complete ban?
  - mikelward 4y ago
    Maybe we'll know by 2035 when the ban is due to take effect? And maybe car makers need an incentive to try?
- babypuncher 4y ago
  These are edge cases that can be engineered around, and 12 years seems like plenty of time to do that. Carving out an exception won't make these people's lives much easier. Eventually enough people will have gone electric that the economics of fuel distribution begin to deteriorate, and these people out in the boonies end up paying even more exorbitant prices for gas and diesel. We might as well rip the bandaid off quickly.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    And what? Give up personal mobility? Without cars/trucks, rural life stops. Good luck buying food in the cities if in the country farmers have to walk everywhere. EVs are not practical in our winters. The batteries would simply not survive without constant heating, which would defeat any carbon advantages they might have. And as for fuel delivery, cars are not everything. Trucks/boats/aircraft together consume vast quantities of fuels. They arent going away anytime soon. So the infrastructure will remain a while too.