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> “ We partner with Laion, who built these datasets, to remove those links.” Which is from the text of the “I” for information link at the top of the OP link;
by O__________O 4y ago
> “ We partner with Laion, who built these datasets, to remove those links.”
Which is from the text of the “I” for information link at the top of the OP link; which is where the above link is found; as in if you found that link, then you should have seen that text.
Again, feel free to contact Laion.
- Kim_Bruning 4y agoI will accept that they make that claim in one place. However, there is no backreference from LAION, and LAION explicitly states that they are not associated with similar sites: ( from https://laion.ai/faq/ https://laion.ai/faq/ ) > I found a dataset containing images while searching on the internet. What about copyright then? > Any dataset containing images is not released by LAION, it must have been reconstructed with the provided tools by other people. We do not host and also do not provide links on our website to access such datasets. Please refer only to links we provide for official released data. So this is probably LAIONs answer, or close enough to it that I don't feel a further need to directly contact them. Do you have any statement or evidence that might be more specific than this blanket denial? (Edit: specifically [ laion site:haveibeentrained.com ] returns 1 google hit, while [ haveibeentrained site:laion.ai ] returns 0 hits , Many references to haveibeentrained are found in source texts that are not particularly friendly about laion. ) (Edit2: I just gave haveibeentrained.com a random photo that I took this afternoon, and that -therefore- couldn't possibly be in the LAION dataset. It found a large number of near-matches. This could be somewhat misleading to some people). (Edit 3: TL;DR of this thread: I have encountered several sites that have made similar claims. I suspect they can't all be telling the truth at the same time. LAION makes a blanket denial about being associated with anyone like this. Therefore my assumption now is that possibly none of them are telling the truth. To refute this assumption, we would need some sort of 2nd or 3rd party positive evidence to the contrary. This might include such things as having the specific claim be corroborated by LAION, or by a known LAION associate. I am somehow doubtful that they would actually do that here though, as that would seem contradictory to the LAION FAQ. )
- O__________O 4y agoAgain, contact LAION.
- Kim_Bruning 4y agoWhy? The LAION FAQ says they're not associated with such sites. In the end that's clear enough I think.
- O__________O 4y agoWhere? https://laion.ai/faq/ https://laion.ai/faq/ Find it little odd how concerned you are, yet refuse to take actionable steps and instead engage in ultimately meaningless exchange with a random stranger on the internet. Let’s assume you are right and LAION has no relationship to the project, if you’re concerned, should not contact them to get an official statement and share it on HN at the very least.
- Kim_Bruning 4y agoYou know -on second thought- maybe you have a point. I've mailed LAION and I'll let you know what they say as well.
- Kim_Bruning 4y agoIt's weekend, so I don't think we'll get an answer soon. I'll still post my findings here if/when I get one. for background: Right now in some corners of the internet there seems to be some sort of anti-ai-generation campaign raging and people are getting bullied.
- Kim_Bruning 4y agoI never got a reply to my E-mail, sadly. :-(
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