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Remember that recent case where a lawyer was denied access to Madison Square Garden, because their in-house facial recognition software recognized her being an
by TrackerFF 4y ago
Remember that recent case where a lawyer was denied access to Madison Square Garden, because their in-house facial recognition software recognized her being an employee of a law-firm that was litigating against another subsidiary / child company of the owner of MSG Entertainment?
Between this, and that case, I can't say I'm looking forward to the future (ab)use of tech.
Imagine walking into a Walmart, only to get escorted out by security because someone you've been associated with caused a brawl, or shoplifted at Walmart (or some subsidiary of Walmart). Or that you get checked every time you try to use their self-checkout machines.
- tiahura 4y agoImagine walking into a Walmart, only to get escorted out by security because someone you've been associated with caused a brawl, or shoplifted at Walmart Society was much more liveable when that was considered common sense.
- code_duck 4y agoIt would be normal for an individual known for shoplifting or assault to be blacklisted. Not some associated with an unsavory individual, which can be involuntary - coworker, family member, neighbor.
- harimau777 4y agoIt was more livable for the more socially acceptable and/or wealthy segments of society not for the lower segments. Someone who is poor or otherwise on the margins of society is much more likely to be associated with people society considers "the wrong sort of people". Similarly, those in the upper levels of society are discouraged from associating with the lower levels for fear of being associated with the wrong sort of people.
- Archipelagia 4y agoIt was never considered common sense. Some variant of what you're thinking about might've been possible in a small society (say, when the shop owner in a village knew all his customers, and was able to keep an eye on the troublemakers). But in modern world it would basically mean that you might get banned from thousands of stores across the entire country because a cousin you barely know is an idiot. Or more likely, you'll just appear on the "do not serve" list without even knowing you're on in or finding out why. So yeah, treating these two as the same thing is dishonest.
- josephcsible 4y agoYou're confusing "you" with "someone you've been associated with".
- paulmd 4y agoIt's not that the US won't have social credit scores... they just will be privatized and opaque. Kind of like the credit scores we already have. Oh I'm sorry you're on the Moody's blacklist, there's nothing we can do. Corporate policy, we can't make exceptions, maybe try somewhere else.
- bko 4y agoI would prefer privatized credit scores to centrally controlled. I would prefer i was on one bad person list as opposed to the only bad person list. This coordination already exists on some level. If you rip off a hotel they may inform their competitors and share information. Generally they don't care so much about tweets or politics as they are just trying to run a business. But if it was state controlled it runs the risk of beung used as a tool to suppress dissent or wrong think. Large tech unicorns like social media are kind of inbetween state actors and private businesses as we have seen from the high amount of communication between state actors and these businesses
- ouid 4y agoWhy are you splitting hairs? If you're choosing between the two you've lost.
- bko 4y agoI like having a reputation. I pay my bills on time and im happy for my creditors to share that fact to others. Similarly i don't trash hotel rooms, get into fights or engage in other antisocial behavior. A reputation make things easier as service providers can focus efforts on higher risk individuals I do have a problem if I get thrown on a general bad person list based on something unrelated (e.g. criticized [politician]) or the state telling private parties they should not associate with me for whatever reason
- sshine 4y agoYou like sharing that you’re a reliable citizen with anyone. You (presumably) don’t like sharing every bit of information that goes into making that assessment, such as what you buy, when you sleep, where you go, how your heart rate fluctuates, whom you interact with. What’s missing, in my opinion, is being able to prove that you have a good credit rating without revealing your bank statement. That your life insurance should be cheap because you live a healthy, low-risk life without revealing biometrics. That your car insurance should be low because not only did you never have an accident, you never break suddenly or travel near where accidents happen, but without revealing GPS or acceleration data. And so on. Zero-knowledge cryptography is not mainstream. I hope it will be.
- impalallama 4y agoevery one rightly derides china's social credit scores yet here we are implementing our own them via entirely privately owned fiefdoms
- vkou 4y agoIt's not right to deride their social credit scores, when we've had them for decades, in the form of actual credit scores plus criminal records plus a no-fly list. All these new developments are just slight changes to the system at its edges, the core of it is quite similar. But our society is myopic to its own problems.
- thewebcount 4y agoSorry, but it is absolutely right to deride their social credit scores even if we have our own similar system. As others have pointed out in this thread, ours have a completely different set of issues. Yes, they exist and should also be criticized, but saying that we can't criticize someone else's problems until we fix our own is bullshit. If that were the case, nothing would ever be fair to criticize.
- red-iron-pine 4y agoBollocks. This isn't a social credit score, this is one company blacklisting bad clients, and doing their best to ensure said bad clients don't game the system by using someone else's account. Yeah I don't love the potential for ubiquitous tracking and judgment, but this isn't central government, it's AirBNB -- use VRBO, or Mariott, or Days Inn instead. Most hotels have, and have had for a long time, blacklists, too.
- explaininjs 4y agoWith the number of people who strongly advocate for stealing from Walmart, with seemingly no repercussions at all, I'm not sure that'd be such a bad thing. People love to pretend like stealing from "big companies" is some robin hood adventure where the C-Suite is going to look at the numbers at the end of the year and decide they all need to cut their annual bonus to make up for the loss. When in fact prices go up for the paying customers, and jobs that used to help everyone (attendants who help restock, locate items, etc.) get converted to more "Security" jobs, where the worker does nothing but "look mean".
- lazyasciiart 4y agoWhere do people advocate for stealing from Walmart?
- explaininjs 4y agoCommon trope on TikTok/Instagram.
- hot_gril 4y agoAt least all my tech skills are slowly becoming life skills. Like oh, I have to work around some random bs so I can use X service ;_;