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'Potential lab incident': FBI director Wray speaks publicly on Covid origin

25 points by _-david-_ 4y ago

lockhouse 4y ago
Are people finally allowed to say this without fear of the cancel mob coming after them?
- arglebargle123 4y ago
  Watching Dr John Campbell in the UK receive repeated YouTube warnings for simply unpacking publicly available COVID research papers and public health statistics has been really depressing.
- rocket_surgeron 4y ago
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  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    Dr. Li-Meng Yan was banned on Twitter for the lab leak theory. I think her account is back now though. Do you think a Chinese born scientist is a white nationalist?
    - acheron 4y ago
      Don't feed the trolls. Click on the comment time and there's a "flag" link, which is better than replying.
      - rocket_surgeron 4y ago
        Who was cancelled? Trolling is making an assertion and then running away when the handwaving doesn't work. Asking a question isn't trolling. Please. I'm begging you. I'm down on my hands and knees, genuflecting: who was cancelled? My assertion is that "the woke mob" is a boogeyman made up by liars to deflect any and all criticism of their terrible positions. Kind of like how they spread "virtue signaling" around like manure before that phrase lost its outrage generation steam. I will 100% change my mind if anyone can provide a single person cancelled for this.
    - rocket_surgeron 4y ago
      > I think her account is back now though. https://twitter.com/DrLiMengYAN1 https://twitter.com/DrLiMengYAN1 So... not cancelled? I was promised cancellation... >Do you think a Chinese born scientist is a white nationalist? Lol looked her up, she's steve bannon's protege so who knows? Stranger things have happened.
      - _-david-_ 4y ago
        She was cancelled and then uncanceled. It is impossible to meet your standards of cancellation unless you wait until the person dies to ensure they aren't uncanceled sometime in the future. That is ridiculous. >Lol looked her up, she's steve bannon's protege so who knows? Stranger things have happened. Are you going to make an actual argument or just say people she interacts are bad? Is she a racist, xenophobic white nationalist like you claimed? No? Then admit you were wrong.
thatguy0900 4y ago
Will there be any apologizing for the years of gaslighting about this?
- mistrial9 4y ago
  there are already lawsuits going, big ones.
lazyeye 4y ago
Unfortunately due to how bad the media is now, truth is is always on a time-delay release. I think in alot of cases if your understanding of a topic is based purely on what you've heard in the media, then you are less informed than someone who has never heard of that topic.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > if your understanding of a topic is based purely on what you've heard in the media, then you are less informed than someone who has never heard of that topic. That's not even possible. Even if you are misinformed or misunderstand something about an issue, simply having awareness of an issue makes you more informed on that subject than someone unaware that it exists.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    I believe the poster is trying to say if you provide an objective assessment of the situation, a person who hasn't been tainted by the media would have the more accurate take. Large chunks of the media assured us that it was not only impossible that the virus came from a lab but also racist and xenophobic to even suggest it. If you told the average person who didn't watch the news that a lab that studies corona viruses is in a city where a corona virus started many would just assume it came from the lab.
    - hotpotamus 4y ago
      I always just assumed that it didn't come from a lab because it's not like polio or HIV or Chicken Pox came from a lab either.
      - lazyeye 4y ago
        Would need to confirm the detail but I think polio and chicken pox appeared before labs were a thing, and HIV came from Africa where they dont have labs. This is compared to the coronavirus which first appeared just down the road from a lab which studies coronaviruses.
foxyv 4y ago
"Most Likely" and "Low Confidence" don't really mesh in my mind very well.
autoexec 4y ago
> Some officials briefed on the intelligence said that it was relatively weak and that the Energy Department’s conclusion was made with “low confidence,” suggesting its level of certainty was not high. While the department shared the information with other agencies, none of them changed their conclusions, officials said. (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/us/politics/china-lab-leak-coronavirus-pandemic.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/us/politics/china-lab-lea...) I wish they would share whatever this new evidence is with the public. There's not agreement about what it means among the agencies who have seen it, so maybe having more eyes on the problem can clarify the situation.

25 points by _-david-_ 4y ago

lockhouse 4y ago

Are people finally allowed to say this without fear of the cancel mob coming after them?

arglebargle123 4y ago
Watching Dr John Campbell in the UK receive repeated YouTube warnings for simply unpacking publicly available COVID research papers and public health statistics has been really depressing.
rocket_surgeron 4y ago
[flagged]
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Dr. Li-Meng Yan was banned on Twitter for the lab leak theory. I think her account is back now though. Do you think a Chinese born scientist is a white nationalist?
  - acheron 4y ago
    Don't feed the trolls. Click on the comment time and there's a "flag" link, which is better than replying.
    - rocket_surgeron 4y ago
      Who was cancelled? Trolling is making an assertion and then running away when the handwaving doesn't work. Asking a question isn't trolling. Please. I'm begging you. I'm down on my hands and knees, genuflecting: who was cancelled? My assertion is that "the woke mob" is a boogeyman made up by liars to deflect any and all criticism of their terrible positions. Kind of like how they spread "virtue signaling" around like manure before that phrase lost its outrage generation steam. I will 100% change my mind if anyone can provide a single person cancelled for this.
  - rocket_surgeron 4y ago
    > I think her account is back now though. https://twitter.com/DrLiMengYAN1 https://twitter.com/DrLiMengYAN1 So... not cancelled? I was promised cancellation... >Do you think a Chinese born scientist is a white nationalist? Lol looked her up, she's steve bannon's protege so who knows? Stranger things have happened.
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      She was cancelled and then uncanceled. It is impossible to meet your standards of cancellation unless you wait until the person dies to ensure they aren't uncanceled sometime in the future. That is ridiculous. >Lol looked her up, she's steve bannon's protege so who knows? Stranger things have happened. Are you going to make an actual argument or just say people she interacts are bad? Is she a racist, xenophobic white nationalist like you claimed? No? Then admit you were wrong.

thatguy0900 4y ago

Will there be any apologizing for the years of gaslighting about this?

mistrial9 4y ago
there are already lawsuits going, big ones.

lazyeye 4y ago

Unfortunately due to how bad the media is now, truth is is always on a time-delay release. I think in alot of cases if your understanding of a topic is based purely on what you've heard in the media, then you are less informed than someone who has never heard of that topic.

autoexec 4y ago
> if your understanding of a topic is based purely on what you've heard in the media, then you are less informed than someone who has never heard of that topic. That's not even possible. Even if you are misinformed or misunderstand something about an issue, simply having awareness of an issue makes you more informed on that subject than someone unaware that it exists.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  I believe the poster is trying to say if you provide an objective assessment of the situation, a person who hasn't been tainted by the media would have the more accurate take. Large chunks of the media assured us that it was not only impossible that the virus came from a lab but also racist and xenophobic to even suggest it. If you told the average person who didn't watch the news that a lab that studies corona viruses is in a city where a corona virus started many would just assume it came from the lab.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    I always just assumed that it didn't come from a lab because it's not like polio or HIV or Chicken Pox came from a lab either.
    - lazyeye 4y ago
      Would need to confirm the detail but I think polio and chicken pox appeared before labs were a thing, and HIV came from Africa where they dont have labs. This is compared to the coronavirus which first appeared just down the road from a lab which studies coronaviruses.

foxyv 4y ago

"Most Likely" and "Low Confidence" don't really mesh in my mind very well.

autoexec 4y ago

> Some officials briefed on the intelligence said that it was relatively weak and that the Energy Department’s conclusion was made with “low confidence,” suggesting its level of certainty was not high. While the department shared the information with other agencies, none of them changed their conclusions, officials said. (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/us/politics/china-lab-leak-coronavirus-pandemic.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/us/politics/china-lab-lea...) I wish they would share whatever this new evidence is with the public. There's not agreement about what it means among the agencies who have seen it, so maybe having more eyes on the problem can clarify the situation.