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Does Tesla have these types of delays?

Lolaccount 4y ago
They have delayed quality, if that helps.
conk 4y ago
Well it’s been 2 years since 2021 and Tesla still isn’t building cybertrucks. I’d say ya, Tesla has these types of delays as well.
- silverwasthere 4y ago
  I like the theory that musk is trying to win over the truck buyer segment's hearts and minds via twitter anti woke signals before releasing it to ensure there is an accepting market. If you look at a map of the best selling vehicle by state and overlay who they voted for in the last few elections it's pretty clear who he needs to cozy up to and win over. I'm not thrilled about it, and it solidifies my choice not to buy a tesla, but it makes business sense to my uneducated eye. Personally I like my nissan leaf and would like a nice simple plug in hybrid truck, not an electric brodozer.
  - jdminhbg 4y ago
    This theory seems a lot more convoluted than "it's hard to scale production of a new vehicle and they haven't figured it out yet."
  - kortilla 4y ago
    That’s a pretty dumb theory. The cyber truck depends on a gigapress that just finally made it to the US to their plant in the last couple of months. Second, it already had massive preorder demand from before the Twitter drama. There was no need to ensure demand. Finally, the market for the cyber truck is going to be all of the people who were conscious about fuel efficiency and wanted a truck before but downgraded to a car/crossover. The cyber truck will not make a dent in any rural truck sales where towing and hauling is common.
    - silverwasthere 4y ago
      Point one and two are good, I wasnt aware they had as many preorders almost as the last 3 years combined of f-150 sales, but sooner or later they are going to need to sell to people that don't actually care what kind of powerplant is under the hood to grow their market share and overtake ford nationally.
      - matthewdgreen 4y ago
        A Cybertruck pre-order costs $100, and it’s refundable. I’m not sure what the actual demand for those things will be when people have to put real money down.
    - qwerpy 4y ago
      As a counter anecdote, me and a few friends who preordered cybertrucks don’t care about fuel efficiency. We just love the bizarre looks and extreme performance/range. Personally I also bought into the hype around its toughness because I need to haul kids around in an area that is infamous for suicidal deer. I’m even fairly ambivalent to the fact that it has a truck bed. Maybe I’ll carry lumber once a year. I’d rather have a 3rd row of seats.
  - madengr 4y ago
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DannyBee 4y ago
Yes but they were clearer that cybertruck will only eventually happen, and that everything is subject to change It’s not like you selected 73 options and they keep changing them before delivery
- GreedClarifies 4y ago
  My mistake! That's what I get for reading the comment but not putting it into the context of the post. It isn't that people want EVs they want truck form factor EVs. And yes, Tesla has failed on providing that.
  - dsr_ 4y ago
    Pretty sure people would also like an electric Honda Civic (they don't even have a plugin-hybrid, just a efficient Accord and CR-V) or anything else that feels reliable and is priced similarly to ICE.
    - brewdad 4y ago
      That's exactly what I want. A runabout town car with enough range that I don't have to think about charging it on a cold winter Saturday where I might go 125+ miles running errands all over the metro area. I'll keep my ICE vehicle for road trips, at least until the charging network gets more reliable, but I'd love to never burn a drop of gasoline unless we are headed out of town.
  - DannyBee 4y ago
    I live in Georgia, a place where everyone owns trucks. I honestly don't think it would matter what Tesla released, because it's Tesla. It will have a rough general acceptance curve in Georgia and I'm not sure that would change a ton based on vehicle form. Personally, I don't care if it can do what I need. But it is fair to say that acceptance often has a very significant social component (and most engineers ignore this). It's often impossible to gain acceptance of a very new thing in one step (to different), but possible by producing multiple in between points. This is true even if the end thing is much better. So for other vehicle makers, I would expect them to be smart enough to get to amazing end state in steps instead of trying it all at once
igrekel 4y ago
Depends on what you're buying. Existing models like the S or 3 have much shorter delays, upcoming models like the Cybertruck are worse. I had a 3 delivered in about two weeks.
HWR_14 4y ago
In 2022, when these decisions were being made, it depended on the model. The Y and X did have such delays. The more expensive configurations of the 3 and S did not. The lower cost 3 and S's had longer lead times and I don't know which side of the divide they would fall on. And the cybertruck obviously is far in the future.
mavhc 4y ago
Not really, go to their website and try to order, it says the delay: Model 3 Est. Delivery: Mar 2023

They have delayed quality, if that helps.

conk 4y ago

Well it’s been 2 years since 2021 and Tesla still isn’t building cybertrucks. I’d say ya, Tesla has these types of delays as well.

silverwasthere 4y ago
I like the theory that musk is trying to win over the truck buyer segment's hearts and minds via twitter anti woke signals before releasing it to ensure there is an accepting market. If you look at a map of the best selling vehicle by state and overlay who they voted for in the last few elections it's pretty clear who he needs to cozy up to and win over. I'm not thrilled about it, and it solidifies my choice not to buy a tesla, but it makes business sense to my uneducated eye. Personally I like my nissan leaf and would like a nice simple plug in hybrid truck, not an electric brodozer.
- jdminhbg 4y ago
  This theory seems a lot more convoluted than "it's hard to scale production of a new vehicle and they haven't figured it out yet."
- kortilla 4y ago
  That’s a pretty dumb theory. The cyber truck depends on a gigapress that just finally made it to the US to their plant in the last couple of months. Second, it already had massive preorder demand from before the Twitter drama. There was no need to ensure demand. Finally, the market for the cyber truck is going to be all of the people who were conscious about fuel efficiency and wanted a truck before but downgraded to a car/crossover. The cyber truck will not make a dent in any rural truck sales where towing and hauling is common.
  - silverwasthere 4y ago
    Point one and two are good, I wasnt aware they had as many preorders almost as the last 3 years combined of f-150 sales, but sooner or later they are going to need to sell to people that don't actually care what kind of powerplant is under the hood to grow their market share and overtake ford nationally.
    - matthewdgreen 4y ago
      A Cybertruck pre-order costs $100, and it’s refundable. I’m not sure what the actual demand for those things will be when people have to put real money down.
  - qwerpy 4y ago
    As a counter anecdote, me and a few friends who preordered cybertrucks don’t care about fuel efficiency. We just love the bizarre looks and extreme performance/range. Personally I also bought into the hype around its toughness because I need to haul kids around in an area that is infamous for suicidal deer. I’m even fairly ambivalent to the fact that it has a truck bed. Maybe I’ll carry lumber once a year. I’d rather have a 3rd row of seats.
- madengr 4y ago
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DannyBee 4y ago

Yes but they were clearer that cybertruck will only eventually happen, and that everything is subject to change It’s not like you selected 73 options and they keep changing them before delivery

GreedClarifies 4y ago
My mistake! That's what I get for reading the comment but not putting it into the context of the post. It isn't that people want EVs they want truck form factor EVs. And yes, Tesla has failed on providing that.
- dsr_ 4y ago
  Pretty sure people would also like an electric Honda Civic (they don't even have a plugin-hybrid, just a efficient Accord and CR-V) or anything else that feels reliable and is priced similarly to ICE.
  - brewdad 4y ago
    That's exactly what I want. A runabout town car with enough range that I don't have to think about charging it on a cold winter Saturday where I might go 125+ miles running errands all over the metro area. I'll keep my ICE vehicle for road trips, at least until the charging network gets more reliable, but I'd love to never burn a drop of gasoline unless we are headed out of town.
- DannyBee 4y ago
  I live in Georgia, a place where everyone owns trucks. I honestly don't think it would matter what Tesla released, because it's Tesla. It will have a rough general acceptance curve in Georgia and I'm not sure that would change a ton based on vehicle form. Personally, I don't care if it can do what I need. But it is fair to say that acceptance often has a very significant social component (and most engineers ignore this). It's often impossible to gain acceptance of a very new thing in one step (to different), but possible by producing multiple in between points. This is true even if the end thing is much better. So for other vehicle makers, I would expect them to be smart enough to get to amazing end state in steps instead of trying it all at once

igrekel 4y ago

Depends on what you're buying. Existing models like the S or 3 have much shorter delays, upcoming models like the Cybertruck are worse. I had a 3 delivered in about two weeks.

HWR_14 4y ago

In 2022, when these decisions were being made, it depended on the model. The Y and X did have such delays. The more expensive configurations of the 3 and S did not. The lower cost 3 and S's had longer lead times and I don't know which side of the divide they would fall on. And the cybertruck obviously is far in the future.

mavhc 4y ago

Not really, go to their website and try to order, it says the delay: Model 3 Est. Delivery: Mar 2023