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Which are?

by slhck 4y ago

Which are?

Tade0 4y ago
Costs mostly. He's talking from a privileged position of someone who can afford living in Amsterdam with his lifestyle. Take for example buying groceries in your corner shop daily on your way back from work. Easily 50% more expensive than taking a longer, less frequent trip to a larger supermarket further away. But what upset me the most was showcasing a building built somewhere in Canada that was, in his view, great because it didn't have parking spaces. What actually happened is that the building rented-out parking spots from a nearby multi-level parking lot and was only allowed to be built as an exception, because it was too tall according to the zoning. And it shows, because it stands out like a buck tooth. I live in a country essentially taken over by construction companies' interests and this is the kind of bullshit they peddle to improve their margins.
- andrepd 4y ago
  I don't follow. One of the things he rallies against the most in his videos is precisely laws — like zoning regulations and parking minimums — which make it illegal to build walkable neighbourhoods and encourage car-dependent sprawl. As for buying for the corner shop being 50% more expensive, why? What are you basing yourself on to make that assertion?
  - Tade0 4y ago
    > One of the things he rallies against the most in his videos is precisely laws — like zoning regulations and parking minimums — which make it illegal to build walkable neighbourhoods and encourage car-dependent sprawl. I see this as a perspective of someone who never lived in a walkable city that has both zoning and parking minimums. It's not a case of either-or. The type of construction he's proposing is a net negative to how a city functions - specifically it was a particularly tall building in an area where four floors + ground level buildings were already allowed - that's an already appropriate density for a city. > What are you basing yourself on to make that assertion? That's my experience from just about every European city I spent any appreciable time in(meaning - at least a few months) - especially the one I grew up in. And no wonder - grocery stores scale exceedingly well so far as there's cheap land to build on. That's not the case in city centres.
    - andrepd 4y ago
      Ah the famous Tade0's-experience-price-index /s :) Sure, I'd love to see how prices in small shop chain retailers compare to big box chain retailers. But sorry, your personal gut feeling is not data enough for me. As for walkable cities with zoning and parking minimums, perhaps it can technically be done? But you do agree that it makes it extremely difficult and disincentivised, right?
- slhck 4y ago
  I don't follow your argument. I've lived in various major European cities and it was always easy enough to find a discount supermarket (Lidl, Aldi etc.) within walking distance, and if not, maybe within 5 minutes of cycling. There would've rarely been a need to use the (more expensive, but certainly not 50%) corner grocery store. Everyone can afford this — quite the contrary: people often ignore the hundreds of Euros they spend on a car, because it's just a given for them. (That said, I know there are lots of people who depend on the car for getting to a work location because of lack of public transport.) I don't know about the building you're talking about and can't weigh in on this.
  - Tade0 4y ago
    A store placed where land and labour is expensive will necessarily have considerably higher prices than one far away from such an area. I had friends who, in order to save money, went by bus, did shopping for the whole week and just Ubered back, because even compared to a local Lidl it was worth it. Of course it was a major time sink, but spread over a week didn't affect them too much. My personal record was in Zurich, where I had a whopping 3.6km to the next Lidl, from which I only returned by bus, because those ~4CHF saved on the ticket there afforded me 1kg of bananas(2CHF instead of 3 in Coop) and a can of tuna. This is the type of reality I'm talking about - note the lack of cars in these scenarios. I wish I could find the clip showing the mentioned building, but a cursory search didn't yield results.
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      > My personal record was in Zurich, where I had a whopping 3.6km to the next Lidl, from which I only returned by bus, because those ~4CHF saved on the ticket there afforded me 1kg of bananas(2CHF instead of 3 in Coop) and a can of tuna. By bicyle, 3.6 km would take 10-15 min without riding hard.

Which are?

by slhck 4y ago

Which are?

Costs mostly. He's talking from a privileged position of someone who can afford living in Amsterdam with his lifestyle. Take for example buying groceries in your corner shop daily on your way back from work. Easily 50% more expensive than taking a longer, less frequent trip to a larger supermarket further away. But what upset me the most was showcasing a building built somewhere in Canada that was, in his view, great because it didn't have parking spaces. What actually happened is that the building rented-out parking spots from a nearby multi-level parking lot and was only allowed to be built as an exception, because it was too tall according to the zoning. And it shows, because it stands out like a buck tooth. I live in a country essentially taken over by construction companies' interests and this is the kind of bullshit they peddle to improve their margins.

andrepd 4y ago
I don't follow. One of the things he rallies against the most in his videos is precisely laws — like zoning regulations and parking minimums — which make it illegal to build walkable neighbourhoods and encourage car-dependent sprawl. As for buying for the corner shop being 50% more expensive, why? What are you basing yourself on to make that assertion?
- Tade0 4y ago
  > One of the things he rallies against the most in his videos is precisely laws — like zoning regulations and parking minimums — which make it illegal to build walkable neighbourhoods and encourage car-dependent sprawl. I see this as a perspective of someone who never lived in a walkable city that has both zoning and parking minimums. It's not a case of either-or. The type of construction he's proposing is a net negative to how a city functions - specifically it was a particularly tall building in an area where four floors + ground level buildings were already allowed - that's an already appropriate density for a city. > What are you basing yourself on to make that assertion? That's my experience from just about every European city I spent any appreciable time in(meaning - at least a few months) - especially the one I grew up in. And no wonder - grocery stores scale exceedingly well so far as there's cheap land to build on. That's not the case in city centres.
  - andrepd 4y ago
    Ah the famous Tade0's-experience-price-index /s :) Sure, I'd love to see how prices in small shop chain retailers compare to big box chain retailers. But sorry, your personal gut feeling is not data enough for me. As for walkable cities with zoning and parking minimums, perhaps it can technically be done? But you do agree that it makes it extremely difficult and disincentivised, right?
slhck 4y ago
I don't follow your argument. I've lived in various major European cities and it was always easy enough to find a discount supermarket (Lidl, Aldi etc.) within walking distance, and if not, maybe within 5 minutes of cycling. There would've rarely been a need to use the (more expensive, but certainly not 50%) corner grocery store. Everyone can afford this — quite the contrary: people often ignore the hundreds of Euros they spend on a car, because it's just a given for them. (That said, I know there are lots of people who depend on the car for getting to a work location because of lack of public transport.) I don't know about the building you're talking about and can't weigh in on this.
- Tade0 4y ago
  A store placed where land and labour is expensive will necessarily have considerably higher prices than one far away from such an area. I had friends who, in order to save money, went by bus, did shopping for the whole week and just Ubered back, because even compared to a local Lidl it was worth it. Of course it was a major time sink, but spread over a week didn't affect them too much. My personal record was in Zurich, where I had a whopping 3.6km to the next Lidl, from which I only returned by bus, because those ~4CHF saved on the ticket there afforded me 1kg of bananas(2CHF instead of 3 in Coop) and a can of tuna. This is the type of reality I'm talking about - note the lack of cars in these scenarios. I wish I could find the clip showing the mentioned building, but a cursory search didn't yield results.
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    > My personal record was in Zurich, where I had a whopping 3.6km to the next Lidl, from which I only returned by bus, because those ~4CHF saved on the ticket there afforded me 1kg of bananas(2CHF instead of 3 in Coop) and a can of tuna. By bicyle, 3.6 km would take 10-15 min without riding hard.