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PHP should be renamed to HypeScript

3 points by Liriel 4y ago

RadixDLT 4y ago
PHP cannot Die if 79% of the web is using it ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⡴⠒⠚⠛⠛⣛⣛⣶⣶⣦⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⠖⢋⣥⣠⣤⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⣟⣵⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿⠿⠿⢟⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⠉⠉⠉⠁⠈⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣦⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢻⣿⣾⣷⣶⣶⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⣿⣿⣿⠿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣽⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⣟⣉⣘⡷⠾⣉⣷⠀⠀⢀⣠⣴⣦⣶⣶⣶⣶⣦⣾⣾⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⣿⡟⠉⣠⠾⠿⣧⠀⢠⣿⣧⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⢻⣿⣾⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⠋⠀⢸⢧⡄⠀⠀⠀⡹⠟⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠉⠀⠀⠀⠙⠯⣽⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠈⢰⡄⢸⠉⡳⠔⠲⣄⡀⠀⠀⠉⠉⠉⣠⣶⠂⠀⠀⣀⣀⣾⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠘⢯⠍⠉⠠⠖⠓⠛⠙⢳⣦⣤⣤⣤⣿⠹⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠀⡀⣀⣿⣿⣿⣵⣶⣿⠿⣻⣭⣽⡟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡀⢿⣟⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣗⢛⠉⢉⣰⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⠋⠸⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣇⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⡔⢻⣤⠀⠻⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣽⣝⠓⠲⢤⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⢊⠁⢿⣾⣿⠀⠀⢹⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣄⣀⠒⠊⠙⠓⢦⣀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⣀⡴⠖⠺⢤⣜⣷⣄⢹⣿⠀⠀⠈⣧⣄⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⣟⣻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡈⠻⣤⣄⣶⣄⠀⣼⣷⣄⠀ ⠶⠿⣿⣿⣶⣶⣄⡀⡍⢻⣿⣿⡇⢀⣿⣿⣻⢹⢿⡿⣿⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠛⠻⠏⡼⢿⣿⣿⣇⢻⣿⣿⣷⣀⣈⣹⣿⣯⠃⣿⣿⣿⡇ ⠀⠀⡀⠀⠩⣿⣿⣝⣛⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠿⢹⢸⣾⣾⣷⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⡯⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠘⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⡟⠂⢸⣿⣿⣧
mgkimsal 4y ago
This was posted a couple days ago too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34956747 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34956747 Couple of thoughts on this piece from someone who has been working with PHP since 1996... > Many years ago when PHP started the Web2 Movement it was the most popular and mainstream way to add dynamic content to static websites. It may have been 'most popular' but even in 2002, 2003, 2004.... there was great ... skepticism or reluctance to use PHP. "It doesn't have threads!" "It's not .NET!" "Java is better/bigger/etc". Yet... it was still the most 'popular' by usage. > It was the go-to language when creating user interaction and its success seemed unstoppable. The success always seemed a bit fragile to me when thinking about 'big corp' adoption. There was always a big corp (MS, IBM, etc) that just a press releases away from the 'next big thing' that would kill all competitors. Yet... here we are, 29 years after the language was started, and it keeps adapting to new ideas, the ecosystem grows, and stuff continues to get done. I'm hoping the 'open collective' continues to grow, and while I don't think they're going to be doing big flashy headline grabbing work all the time, quietly funding continued development of the language is a good thing. Composer changed the game and continues to provide a great underpinning for evolving ecosystems, like symfony and laravel (among others). > But the main reason for JavaScripts success were young developers. In my opinion, JavaScript became part of the enterprise stack because it was the cool way to develop in enterprises... It 'took off' because we had a combination of XHR then jQuery within a couple of years. The 'browser' became a way to build AJAX-y applications, and jQuery made it at least bearable, if not fun, providing an abstraction between various browser differences. For those not old enough to remember, there were very big differences between browser implementations of JS, and it was a big overhead to try to make moderately complex JS-based apps for multiple versions of IE and FF and others (IE for Mac was fairly different than IE for Windows). Had we had pluggable/replaceable JS runtimes for browsers, we might have seen more language progression, which may have reduced the need for all the layering on top (the transpilers, etc). PHP is generally doing well, but always has room to improve.

3 points by Liriel 4y ago

PHP cannot Die if 79% of the web is using it ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⡴⠒⠚⠛⠛⣛⣛⣶⣶⣦⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⠖⢋⣥⣠⣤⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⣟⣵⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿⠿⠿⢟⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⠉⠉⠉⠁⠈⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣦⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢻⣿⣾⣷⣶⣶⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⣿⣿⣿⠿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣽⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⣟⣉⣘⡷⠾⣉⣷⠀⠀⢀⣠⣴⣦⣶⣶⣶⣶⣦⣾⣾⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⣿⡟⠉⣠⠾⠿⣧⠀⢠⣿⣧⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⢻⣿⣾⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⠋⠀⢸⢧⡄⠀⠀⠀⡹⠟⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠉⠀⠀⠀⠙⠯⣽⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠈⢰⡄⢸⠉⡳⠔⠲⣄⡀⠀⠀⠉⠉⠉⣠⣶⠂⠀⠀⣀⣀⣾⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠘⢯⠍⠉⠠⠖⠓⠛⠙⢳⣦⣤⣤⣤⣿⠹⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠀⡀⣀⣿⣿⣿⣵⣶⣿⠿⣻⣭⣽⡟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡀⢿⣟⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣗⢛⠉⢉⣰⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⠋⠸⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣇⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⡔⢻⣤⠀⠻⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣽⣝⠓⠲⢤⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⢊⠁⢿⣾⣿⠀⠀⢹⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣄⣀⠒⠊⠙⠓⢦⣀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀⣀⡴⠖⠺⢤⣜⣷⣄⢹⣿⠀⠀⠈⣧⣄⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⣟⣻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡈⠻⣤⣄⣶⣄⠀⣼⣷⣄⠀ ⠶⠿⣿⣿⣶⣶⣄⡀⡍⢻⣿⣿⡇⢀⣿⣿⣻⢹⢿⡿⣿⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠛⠻⠏⡼⢿⣿⣿⣇⢻⣿⣿⣷⣀⣈⣹⣿⣯⠃⣿⣿⣿⡇ ⠀⠀⡀⠀⠩⣿⣿⣝⣛⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠿⢹⢸⣾⣾⣷⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⡯⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠘⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⡟⠂⢸⣿⣿⣧

mgkimsal 4y ago

This was posted a couple days ago too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34956747 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34956747 Couple of thoughts on this piece from someone who has been working with PHP since 1996... > Many years ago when PHP started the Web2 Movement it was the most popular and mainstream way to add dynamic content to static websites. It may have been 'most popular' but even in 2002, 2003, 2004.... there was great ... skepticism or reluctance to use PHP. "It doesn't have threads!" "It's not .NET!" "Java is better/bigger/etc". Yet... it was still the most 'popular' by usage. > It was the go-to language when creating user interaction and its success seemed unstoppable. The success always seemed a bit fragile to me when thinking about 'big corp' adoption. There was always a big corp (MS, IBM, etc) that just a press releases away from the 'next big thing' that would kill all competitors. Yet... here we are, 29 years after the language was started, and it keeps adapting to new ideas, the ecosystem grows, and stuff continues to get done. I'm hoping the 'open collective' continues to grow, and while I don't think they're going to be doing big flashy headline grabbing work all the time, quietly funding continued development of the language is a good thing. Composer changed the game and continues to provide a great underpinning for evolving ecosystems, like symfony and laravel (among others). > But the main reason for JavaScripts success were young developers. In my opinion, JavaScript became part of the enterprise stack because it was the cool way to develop in enterprises... It 'took off' because we had a combination of XHR then jQuery within a couple of years. The 'browser' became a way to build AJAX-y applications, and jQuery made it at least bearable, if not fun, providing an abstraction between various browser differences. For those not old enough to remember, there were very big differences between browser implementations of JS, and it was a big overhead to try to make moderately complex JS-based apps for multiple versions of IE and FF and others (IE for Mac was fairly different than IE for Windows). Had we had pluggable/replaceable JS runtimes for browsers, we might have seen more language progression, which may have reduced the need for all the layering on top (the transpilers, etc). PHP is generally doing well, but always has room to improve.