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I think I'm a better engineer than a marketer. Tbh I find even "hard" engineering easier (certainly more comfortable) than "easy" marketing because there is a

I think I'm a better engineer than a marketer. Tbh I find even "hard" engineering easier (certainly more comfortable) than "easy" marketing because there is a correct, verifiable and testable answer. Thanks for the feedback. For every 1 person like you who tells us there are 500 probably who just silently are turned off

jonas-w 4y ago
I feel with you, I love coding/creating stuff, everything that is rational and does not have room for interpretation if it is wrong or right, but marketing/design and all that is absolutely something I don't want to do and wish it wasn't a necessity for many things. But I agree with richard and for me it is especially the logo. It feels to me like a logo an alibaba vendor that sells light bulbs would have. I don't know where this specific description came from, but it just feels cheap.
- bluelightning2k 4y ago
  Really appreciate the feedback I wish there was a unit test for stuff like this, so I could simply make it go green!
  - sourcecodeplz 4y ago
    Check out Amazon Turk
jollofricepeas 4y ago
Uhhh.. Business users care more about utility and social proof than whether you overuse emojis. I wouldn’t take too much stock in one guys opinion from HN. Test your design and see if it works. You may find out that emojis perfectly communicate “feeling” over a wall of text.
- richrichardsson 4y ago
  > I wouldn’t take too much stock in one guys opinion from HN. 100% this! It could be that there are 500 other viewers being turned off silently, but conversely there could be 500 viewers who find it all appealing. > Test your design and see if it works. How would you go about doing this? A redesign and show it to a sub-set of users and see if there is any measurable difference in conversion? This is one of the hard things I struggle with, and seems OP too, is how to actually measure stuff that doesn't have a (single) "correct" answer, such as marketing choices.
  - r3trohack3r 4y ago
    Read “Don’t Make Me Think” and “RefactoringUI” Both helped me a lot as an engineer needing to do design. They are strong individually but I found them to be a powerful compliment to one another when read side by side.
    - unholiness 4y ago
      To learn usability testing you'll probably want to jump straight to "Rocket Surgery Made Easy", by the same author of "Don't make me think" Steve Krug is a former colleague and brilliant guy, but at this stage learning how to test and hear from your users in practice is time 10x better spent than just learning the theory.
      - r3trohack3r 4y ago
        Didn’t have this on my reading list, thanks for the recommendation!
indymike 4y ago
I like it. Wait until you get bigger to be boring.

jonas-w 4y ago

I feel with you, I love coding/creating stuff, everything that is rational and does not have room for interpretation if it is wrong or right, but marketing/design and all that is absolutely something I don't want to do and wish it wasn't a necessity for many things. But I agree with richard and for me it is especially the logo. It feels to me like a logo an alibaba vendor that sells light bulbs would have. I don't know where this specific description came from, but it just feels cheap.

bluelightning2k 4y ago
Really appreciate the feedback I wish there was a unit test for stuff like this, so I could simply make it go green!
- sourcecodeplz 4y ago
  Check out Amazon Turk

jollofricepeas 4y ago

Uhhh.. Business users care more about utility and social proof than whether you overuse emojis. I wouldn’t take too much stock in one guys opinion from HN. Test your design and see if it works. You may find out that emojis perfectly communicate “feeling” over a wall of text.

richrichardsson 4y ago
> I wouldn’t take too much stock in one guys opinion from HN. 100% this! It could be that there are 500 other viewers being turned off silently, but conversely there could be 500 viewers who find it all appealing. > Test your design and see if it works. How would you go about doing this? A redesign and show it to a sub-set of users and see if there is any measurable difference in conversion? This is one of the hard things I struggle with, and seems OP too, is how to actually measure stuff that doesn't have a (single) "correct" answer, such as marketing choices.
- r3trohack3r 4y ago
  Read “Don’t Make Me Think” and “RefactoringUI” Both helped me a lot as an engineer needing to do design. They are strong individually but I found them to be a powerful compliment to one another when read side by side.
  - unholiness 4y ago
    To learn usability testing you'll probably want to jump straight to "Rocket Surgery Made Easy", by the same author of "Don't make me think" Steve Krug is a former colleague and brilliant guy, but at this stage learning how to test and hear from your users in practice is time 10x better spent than just learning the theory.
    - r3trohack3r 4y ago
      Didn’t have this on my reading list, thanks for the recommendation!

indymike 4y ago

I like it. Wait until you get bigger to be boring.