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Is there a version of Godwins Law for invoking "wokeness"? A long time ago I read a book (can't remember the name) by a producer that outlined all the things t

Is there a version of Godwins Law for invoking "wokeness"? A long time ago I read a book (can't remember the name) by a producer that outlined all the things that work in a book that just don't work in a film/tv show. It could be updated for video games. The TV show format would not allow enough time for this kind of evolution and audiences would have lost patience with the Ellie character had she developed as you described. TLOU is by no means perfect as a show but a lot of the criticism I've seen boils down to "it's not like the game". I think the last word should go to Ashley Johnson [1] "I'm so proud that I got to play a strong female character who isn't a sexualised or a damsel in distress, or the opposite of that". Ellie in the TV show embodies that perfectly. Just because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions doesn't make it "woke". [1] - https://youtu.be/_lBiJd1S4UQ?t=169 https://youtu.be/_lBiJd1S4UQ?t=169

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
"I'm so proud that I got to play a strong female character who isn't a sexualised or a damsel in distress" You picked the right quote to make my point for me.
- equalsione 4y ago
  Thank you! I had a bet on with myself that you would deliberately misinterpret the quote. I get to have ice-cream tonight!
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  I think it says a lot about you that you think that's the case. The point of the quote is that far far too often the female lead in media is either sexualized or a damsel in distress, and often both. That you seem to think there's a problem with not doing that is, as they say, sus.
  - MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
    The issue is not „strong female leads“. Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley were believable, Ellie is just a hack job.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
      I find her to be a very believable character, especially for someone who has gone through the kind of trauma that is inherent to being born into a post apocalyptic future. > she is a tough girl boss from the very start and isn't fazed by things most people would freak out at She literally sees people get hanged all the time and their corpses burned because she lives in a world where humanity is on the brink of extinction and people sometimes turn into monsters, both literally and figuratively. Death is not a thing that happens behind closed doors to her. Her toughness is a projection, and her anger is a defense mechanism. She is a scared little girl living in a world where showing weakness is not ok. She has a fascination will firearms because they represent the power she lacks but thinks will make her feel safe. She has abandonment issues and so tests people by trying to push them away, hoping they won't go. She pretends she doesn't need anybody because she knows how badly she really does. She's a much more nuanced character than you give her credit for. Why isn't Joel's rugged blue-colar daddy type with a sorted past, but who's always right, considered to be a hack job?
  - the_doctah 4y ago
    There's a big difference between well written "strong female leads", and terribly written hamfisted "girl boss" perfect characters, such as every woman in Ant-Man 3.
js2 4y ago
> "I'm so proud that I got to play a strong female character who isn't a sexualised or a damsel in distress, or the opposite of that". The Hawksian woman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawksian_woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawksian_woman I cannot recommend Ball of Fire and His Girl Friday highly enough. For a more modern Hawksian woman, there is Leigh in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_on_Precinct_13_(1976_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_on_Precinct_13_(1976_f... I also really enjoy Johnny Guitar where two strong women essentially lead the movie. I still don't know how it was ever made in its time. https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/johnny-guitar-one-of-the-greatest-westerns-and-the-furthest-extreme-of-the-hollywood-system https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/johnny-guita...
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
  Note how it is not called Hawksian teenager.

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago

"I'm so proud that I got to play a strong female character who isn't a sexualised or a damsel in distress" You picked the right quote to make my point for me.

equalsione 4y ago
Thank you! I had a bet on with myself that you would deliberately misinterpret the quote. I get to have ice-cream tonight!
AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
I think it says a lot about you that you think that's the case. The point of the quote is that far far too often the female lead in media is either sexualized or a damsel in distress, and often both. That you seem to think there's a problem with not doing that is, as they say, sus.
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
  The issue is not „strong female leads“. Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley were believable, Ellie is just a hack job.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    I find her to be a very believable character, especially for someone who has gone through the kind of trauma that is inherent to being born into a post apocalyptic future. > she is a tough girl boss from the very start and isn't fazed by things most people would freak out at She literally sees people get hanged all the time and their corpses burned because she lives in a world where humanity is on the brink of extinction and people sometimes turn into monsters, both literally and figuratively. Death is not a thing that happens behind closed doors to her. Her toughness is a projection, and her anger is a defense mechanism. She is a scared little girl living in a world where showing weakness is not ok. She has a fascination will firearms because they represent the power she lacks but thinks will make her feel safe. She has abandonment issues and so tests people by trying to push them away, hoping they won't go. She pretends she doesn't need anybody because she knows how badly she really does. She's a much more nuanced character than you give her credit for. Why isn't Joel's rugged blue-colar daddy type with a sorted past, but who's always right, considered to be a hack job?
- the_doctah 4y ago
  There's a big difference between well written "strong female leads", and terribly written hamfisted "girl boss" perfect characters, such as every woman in Ant-Man 3.

js2 4y ago

> "I'm so proud that I got to play a strong female character who isn't a sexualised or a damsel in distress, or the opposite of that". The Hawksian woman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawksian_woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawksian_woman I cannot recommend Ball of Fire and His Girl Friday highly enough. For a more modern Hawksian woman, there is Leigh in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_on_Precinct_13_(1976_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_on_Precinct_13_(1976_f... I also really enjoy Johnny Guitar where two strong women essentially lead the movie. I still don't know how it was ever made in its time. https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/johnny-guitar-one-of-the-greatest-westerns-and-the-furthest-extreme-of-the-hollywood-system https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/johnny-guita...

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
Note how it is not called Hawksian teenager.