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This is a bit like those research papers that "prove" the obvious. Better late than never I suppose.

ggm 4y ago
This is a highly politicized response, and has medium confidence as a fiat declaration. Virologists don't believe this, based on genomic testing of the strains and prior experience. Wet market emergence is (in their eyes) as, or more likely. We may never know. Right now? this is a message directed at US domestic political circumstances, its not really revealing of anything and it is far from "proven" His reasoning is classified.
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  > Virologists don't believe this, based on genomic testing of the strains and prior experience. Any source info about this?
  - ggm 4y ago
    https://theconversation.com/heres-how-scientists-know-the-coronavirus-came-from-bats-and-wasnt-made-in-a-lab-141850 https://theconversation.com/heres-how-scientists-know-the-co... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 https://virological.org/t/the-comparative-recency-of-the-proximal-ancestors-of-sars-cov-1-and-sars-cov-2/906 https://virological.org/t/the-comparative-recency-of-the-pro...
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      Thanks. There are studies with different conclusion. https://zenodo.org/record/4477081 https://zenodo.org/record/4477081 https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.8348... https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/absolute-proof-the-gp-120-sequences https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/absolute-proof-the-gp-120-se... https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Evidence-which-Suggests-that-This-Is-No-Evolved-S%C3%B8rensen-Dalgleish/bae0b5f2cae9f55b0f72349e7964989641a2d71d https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Evidence-which-Sug... Also, virologist who tried to discredit the lab leak theory was once a ‘partner’ to EcoHealth Alliance (study you posted above): https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/anti-lab-leak-virologist-ecohealth-alliance-partner/ https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/anti-lab-leak-virologist-...
  - salawat 4y ago
    Note that the Director of the FBI is generally someone who has been in law enforcement long enough to have internalized the fact that everyone lies when their own freedom is at risk. Which a virologist's would be in the face of having their acceptable research avenues cut down. So take the "prior experience" with a grain of salt, and remember you're dealing with people at the end of the day here. The image of the "noble, selfless, untarnished scientist" frequently falls short of mark in reality.
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      Politicization of science leads to overall distrust in everything. Which is good if we suppose to "trust" in science without observable evidence. Same logic could be applied to consuming news.
    - jfengel 4y ago
      Generally, yes. This particular FBI director spent most of his time in private practice, representing foreign gas and oil interests. The closest he came to law enforcement is resigning over illegal surveillance.
t0bia_s 4y ago
Interesting timing btw. Right after spy balloons. Pure information warfare.

ggm 4y ago

This is a highly politicized response, and has medium confidence as a fiat declaration. Virologists don't believe this, based on genomic testing of the strains and prior experience. Wet market emergence is (in their eyes) as, or more likely. We may never know. Right now? this is a message directed at US domestic political circumstances, its not really revealing of anything and it is far from "proven" His reasoning is classified.

t0bia_s 4y ago
> Virologists don't believe this, based on genomic testing of the strains and prior experience. Any source info about this?
- ggm 4y ago
  https://theconversation.com/heres-how-scientists-know-the-coronavirus-came-from-bats-and-wasnt-made-in-a-lab-141850 https://theconversation.com/heres-how-scientists-know-the-co... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 https://virological.org/t/the-comparative-recency-of-the-proximal-ancestors-of-sars-cov-1-and-sars-cov-2/906 https://virological.org/t/the-comparative-recency-of-the-pro...
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    Thanks. There are studies with different conclusion. https://zenodo.org/record/4477081 https://zenodo.org/record/4477081 https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.8348... https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/absolute-proof-the-gp-120-sequences https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/absolute-proof-the-gp-120-se... https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Evidence-which-Suggests-that-This-Is-No-Evolved-S%C3%B8rensen-Dalgleish/bae0b5f2cae9f55b0f72349e7964989641a2d71d https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Evidence-which-Sug... Also, virologist who tried to discredit the lab leak theory was once a ‘partner’ to EcoHealth Alliance (study you posted above): https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/anti-lab-leak-virologist-ecohealth-alliance-partner/ https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/anti-lab-leak-virologist-...
- salawat 4y ago
  Note that the Director of the FBI is generally someone who has been in law enforcement long enough to have internalized the fact that everyone lies when their own freedom is at risk. Which a virologist's would be in the face of having their acceptable research avenues cut down. So take the "prior experience" with a grain of salt, and remember you're dealing with people at the end of the day here. The image of the "noble, selfless, untarnished scientist" frequently falls short of mark in reality.
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    Politicization of science leads to overall distrust in everything. Which is good if we suppose to "trust" in science without observable evidence. Same logic could be applied to consuming news.
  - jfengel 4y ago
    Generally, yes. This particular FBI director spent most of his time in private practice, representing foreign gas and oil interests. The closest he came to law enforcement is resigning over illegal surveillance.

t0bia_s 4y ago

Interesting timing btw. Right after spy balloons. Pure information warfare.