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I hear this often, but it confuses me, reasons listed below: > Fedora versions as desktops on fully supported hardware Is there a list somewhere, as I have no

I hear this often, but it confuses me, reasons listed below: > Fedora versions as desktops on fully supported hardware Is there a list somewhere, as I have not seen this. (Seriously). > oh my, they were quite bad in terms of stability (bluetooth not working, Fedora has a practiced behavior of fixes getting upstream first before shipping, (rising tide lifts all boats). If bluetooth was broken for fedora, it likely would be broken across multiple distribution, and the ubuntus would have had to do something that wasn't upstream. If ubuntu ship patches different than upstream, then it just come down to a timing issue of when your specific hardware has been fixed. I can talk more about the other points you mentioned, They seem more anecdotal than provable (Which is fine, perception is 9/10ths of the law).

alanfranz 4y ago
About Fedora: the company where I work has about 150-200 engineers, and the default suggested Linux is Fedora. A lot of rants and similar issues are shared in support channels. These don’t happen with Ubuntu, at least not with the same rate. hardware is usually some Lenovo Thinkpad (X and P series) that work with RH. Now that you tell me, it seems that Fedora has no official compatibility list. But Ubuntu has it. Isn’t that a Fedora problem? > Fedora has a practiced behavior of fixes getting upstream first before shipping, (rising tide lifts all boats). If bluetooth was broken for fedora, it likely would be broken across multiple distribution, and the ubuntus would have had to do something that wasn't upstream. That's exactly what I mean about Ubuntu being a desktop-oriented _product_. In that instance, it was a kernel problem. Ubuntu clearly has this idea of testing for desktop features, and probably not releasing (or patching) something if it's a problem for desktop users. Fedora just pushed the new kernel through, and probably helped fixing the issue within the kernel. But it's not a great end-user experience. Btw, of course this is an opinion. I don’t have hard long-term, wide-population data on the subject.
- gtirloni 4y ago
  > These don’t happen with Ubuntu, at least not with the same rate. Switch to Ubuntu and you will start hating it just as much.
  - alanfranz 4y ago
    No. I’m using Ubuntu lts (pop os actually) and it works far better on the very same hardware, and other people that made the same jump can confirm.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
  I have ubuntu on my personal laptop (freelance work) and fedora on my work laptop. Work laptop had a problem with a broken kernel delivered. I also always lag one major fedora version behind for safety, which goes against the philosophy, but this is mostly because gnome api for plugins is highly unstable and I really depend on some of those to do my work. I wish I went with KDE. On the personal laptop I use Kubuntu (ubuntu with KDE). The UI has been consistent and stable, for mostly 6 years. I love that aspect. Yesterday I upgraded it and I got a broken kernel (panic on boot). Overall I faced the same issues across the two in 6 years (ubuntu) and 2 years (fedora). With Fedora I have the latest software usually, which is a blessing or a curse. With ubuntu i have slightly outdated software, which is a blessing or a curse. I like both distro, I'm also used at the rough edges of desktop linux. Thinkpads seems to work out of the box with Fedora. The Ubuntu laptop is a system76 laptop, before popos was a thing.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >before popos was a thing Has system76 never realized how unfortunate their OS name is?
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
      Lol! They do have a weird casing to it, so maybe day did
- ungamedplayer 4y ago
  > Now that you tell me, it seems that Fedora has no official compatibility list. But > Ubuntu has it. Isn’t that a Fedora problem? I dunno, I just didnt know how you came to the conclusion that it was officially supported or on any list, when I have never seen any list. Should fedora do a 'hardware compatability 'list', would it change developer behavior, I doubt it.;

alanfranz 4y ago

About Fedora: the company where I work has about 150-200 engineers, and the default suggested Linux is Fedora. A lot of rants and similar issues are shared in support channels. These don’t happen with Ubuntu, at least not with the same rate. hardware is usually some Lenovo Thinkpad (X and P series) that work with RH. Now that you tell me, it seems that Fedora has no official compatibility list. But Ubuntu has it. Isn’t that a Fedora problem? > Fedora has a practiced behavior of fixes getting upstream first before shipping, (rising tide lifts all boats). If bluetooth was broken for fedora, it likely would be broken across multiple distribution, and the ubuntus would have had to do something that wasn't upstream. That's exactly what I mean about Ubuntu being a desktop-oriented _product_. In that instance, it was a kernel problem. Ubuntu clearly has this idea of testing for desktop features, and probably not releasing (or patching) something if it's a problem for desktop users. Fedora just pushed the new kernel through, and probably helped fixing the issue within the kernel. But it's not a great end-user experience. Btw, of course this is an opinion. I don’t have hard long-term, wide-population data on the subject.

gtirloni 4y ago
> These don’t happen with Ubuntu, at least not with the same rate. Switch to Ubuntu and you will start hating it just as much.
- alanfranz 4y ago
  No. I’m using Ubuntu lts (pop os actually) and it works far better on the very same hardware, and other people that made the same jump can confirm.
Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
I have ubuntu on my personal laptop (freelance work) and fedora on my work laptop. Work laptop had a problem with a broken kernel delivered. I also always lag one major fedora version behind for safety, which goes against the philosophy, but this is mostly because gnome api for plugins is highly unstable and I really depend on some of those to do my work. I wish I went with KDE. On the personal laptop I use Kubuntu (ubuntu with KDE). The UI has been consistent and stable, for mostly 6 years. I love that aspect. Yesterday I upgraded it and I got a broken kernel (panic on boot). Overall I faced the same issues across the two in 6 years (ubuntu) and 2 years (fedora). With Fedora I have the latest software usually, which is a blessing or a curse. With ubuntu i have slightly outdated software, which is a blessing or a curse. I like both distro, I'm also used at the rough edges of desktop linux. Thinkpads seems to work out of the box with Fedora. The Ubuntu laptop is a system76 laptop, before popos was a thing.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >before popos was a thing Has system76 never realized how unfortunate their OS name is?
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
    Lol! They do have a weird casing to it, so maybe day did
ungamedplayer 4y ago
> Now that you tell me, it seems that Fedora has no official compatibility list. But > Ubuntu has it. Isn’t that a Fedora problem? I dunno, I just didnt know how you came to the conclusion that it was officially supported or on any list, when I have never seen any list. Should fedora do a 'hardware compatability 'list', would it change developer behavior, I doubt it.;