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> It is weird to force a landlord to take customers they know they don't want. What you call "weird" others call discrimination. Many racist folks didn't want

> It is weird to force a landlord to take customers they know they don't want. What you call "weird" others call discrimination. Many racist folks didn't want to rent to black people or other minorities bc they "didn't want them". Others didn't want to rent to see senior citizens or people with disabilities. Protected classes exist for a reason! It is socially optimal to not allow businesses to discriminate against many groups of people.

htag 4y ago
There's also an incredibly high bar to prove housing discrimination. It's not like all housing applications are reviewed by an enforcement agency and statistical anomalies in approval rates are investigated. Protected classes are really only protected from the most blatant forms of discrimination.
luckylion 4y ago
Is the opposite disallowed in the US? In Germany, we have plenty of housing coops and state run builders that e.g. discriminate against single (young?) men. I've tried half a dozen of these not-for-profit entities before I found one that said "we don't care who you are. If you want to live here and you can pay the rent, we're fine with it". The "no discrimination allowed" is often just "no discrimination allowed that we don't approve of".
- runsWphotons 4y ago
  one day maybe all groups will be protected groups
lynx23 4y ago
Sure, I get it. However, as a person with a disability, I can tell you one thing for sure: I much prefer knowing that someone doesnt want me. Imagine someone was forced by law to take you as a customer, but doesn't like you at all. Can you imagine how you are going to be treated? Doy ou really think insisting does improve things? I very much doubt that. I very much prefer living somewhere where there is no hate towards me. So, given that personal observation, I really ask myself: What good does it do to force people to cooperate with humans they dont like?
- Johnny555 4y ago
  Imagine someone was forced by law to take you as a customer, but doesn't like you at all I don’t care if the pharmacy clerk likes me or approves of my lifestyle, but I do expect them to fill my prescription even if it’s against their feelings or religious beliefs. I don’t see how a fair society can exist without anti-discrimination laws.
  - lynx23 4y ago
    Your comparison isn't really appropriate. In a shop, I can walk in, get my stuff, and walk out in a few minutes. If you rent, your landlord will always be your landlord, and there are plenty of opportunities for ongoing conflict. As a person with disability, I know that I will loose if someone picks a fight with me. Maybe you should try to put yourself in the position of someone with lower priviledges before blindly insisting that anti-discrimination laws are all we need to fix things.
    - Retric 4y ago
      They don’t suggest they actually fixed things, just that they were necessary. In a true profit maximizing meritocracy many disabled people would not be able to survive because nobody would employ them etc. The degree of accommodation required by law isn’t about the disabled so much as the issues should people be allowed to systematically exclude them.
      - eru 4y ago
        > In a true profit maximizing meritocracy many disabled people would not be able to survive because nobody would employ them etc. Just give them money?
        kevviiinn 4y ago
        Giving people money isn't profitable
alldayeveryday 4y ago
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htag 4y ago

There's also an incredibly high bar to prove housing discrimination. It's not like all housing applications are reviewed by an enforcement agency and statistical anomalies in approval rates are investigated. Protected classes are really only protected from the most blatant forms of discrimination.

luckylion 4y ago

Is the opposite disallowed in the US? In Germany, we have plenty of housing coops and state run builders that e.g. discriminate against single (young?) men. I've tried half a dozen of these not-for-profit entities before I found one that said "we don't care who you are. If you want to live here and you can pay the rent, we're fine with it". The "no discrimination allowed" is often just "no discrimination allowed that we don't approve of".

runsWphotons 4y ago
one day maybe all groups will be protected groups

lynx23 4y ago

Sure, I get it. However, as a person with a disability, I can tell you one thing for sure: I much prefer knowing that someone doesnt want me. Imagine someone was forced by law to take you as a customer, but doesn't like you at all. Can you imagine how you are going to be treated? Doy ou really think insisting does improve things? I very much doubt that. I very much prefer living somewhere where there is no hate towards me. So, given that personal observation, I really ask myself: What good does it do to force people to cooperate with humans they dont like?

Johnny555 4y ago
Imagine someone was forced by law to take you as a customer, but doesn't like you at all I don’t care if the pharmacy clerk likes me or approves of my lifestyle, but I do expect them to fill my prescription even if it’s against their feelings or religious beliefs. I don’t see how a fair society can exist without anti-discrimination laws.
- lynx23 4y ago
  Your comparison isn't really appropriate. In a shop, I can walk in, get my stuff, and walk out in a few minutes. If you rent, your landlord will always be your landlord, and there are plenty of opportunities for ongoing conflict. As a person with disability, I know that I will loose if someone picks a fight with me. Maybe you should try to put yourself in the position of someone with lower priviledges before blindly insisting that anti-discrimination laws are all we need to fix things.
  - Retric 4y ago
    They don’t suggest they actually fixed things, just that they were necessary. In a true profit maximizing meritocracy many disabled people would not be able to survive because nobody would employ them etc. The degree of accommodation required by law isn’t about the disabled so much as the issues should people be allowed to systematically exclude them.
    - eru 4y ago
      > In a true profit maximizing meritocracy many disabled people would not be able to survive because nobody would employ them etc. Just give them money?
      - kevviiinn 4y ago
        Giving people money isn't profitable

alldayeveryday 4y ago

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