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Do you have a concept of self-defense? If we stop being interested in being one step ahead, we become slaves of another. That's how it goes, no matter how much

Do you have a concept of self-defense? If we stop being interested in being one step ahead, we become slaves of another. That's how it goes, no matter how much "peace, love, and happiness" you try to manifest.

giraffe_lady 4y ago
What about self defense requires you to use the technological sophistication of war weapons as entertainment?
- seanw444 4y ago
  What? Military research has benefits outside of military use. V-2s became Saturn Vs on the way to the moon, which begat ICBMs. Haber-Bosch method gave us more fertilizer, but also more explosives. Lasers can be used for hair removal surgery, or as guidance systems for rockets. Explosives themselves can be used for civil engineering purposes. The Me 262 was meant to be an agile fighter, but now we use its technology to haul millions of people a day across the world. Thinking about war technology as strictly evil and "must avoid" is honestly stupid.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    ok sean I think you've moved the goalposts pretty far now to be justified in calling me stupid. I surely am but only for participating in this experiment in paring away context until fighter jets become tools for human thriving. good work here I really think you should go watch some videos of them being used though especially the ones with children involved.
    - seanw444 4y ago
      You confuse me. People are interested in technology because its cool and neutral. All technology can be used for both good and bad things, and that's historically provable. Making specific areas of science off limits for virtue points is unreasonable. And I didn't call you stupid. I called that point of view stupid. I'm sure you're not a generally stupid person.
      - giraffe_lady 4y ago
        > its cool and neutral I cannot be more clear than this then and I hope it resolves your confusion: cool is debatable but these technologies are not neutral. They are bad, and engaging with them as if they are neutral is bad for you. That's the point I originally made and the one I'm still making.
        seanw444 4y ago
        Then I suppose we can end on a hard disagree. My point is the usage of technology can be good or bad, but technology is itself not good or bad.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

What about self defense requires you to use the technological sophistication of war weapons as entertainment?

seanw444 4y ago
What? Military research has benefits outside of military use. V-2s became Saturn Vs on the way to the moon, which begat ICBMs. Haber-Bosch method gave us more fertilizer, but also more explosives. Lasers can be used for hair removal surgery, or as guidance systems for rockets. Explosives themselves can be used for civil engineering purposes. The Me 262 was meant to be an agile fighter, but now we use its technology to haul millions of people a day across the world. Thinking about war technology as strictly evil and "must avoid" is honestly stupid.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  ok sean I think you've moved the goalposts pretty far now to be justified in calling me stupid. I surely am but only for participating in this experiment in paring away context until fighter jets become tools for human thriving. good work here I really think you should go watch some videos of them being used though especially the ones with children involved.
  - seanw444 4y ago
    You confuse me. People are interested in technology because its cool and neutral. All technology can be used for both good and bad things, and that's historically provable. Making specific areas of science off limits for virtue points is unreasonable. And I didn't call you stupid. I called that point of view stupid. I'm sure you're not a generally stupid person.
    - giraffe_lady 4y ago
      > its cool and neutral I cannot be more clear than this then and I hope it resolves your confusion: cool is debatable but these technologies are not neutral. They are bad, and engaging with them as if they are neutral is bad for you. That's the point I originally made and the one I'm still making.
      - seanw444 4y ago
        Then I suppose we can end on a hard disagree. My point is the usage of technology can be good or bad, but technology is itself not good or bad.