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"Hey guys, self-driving is a decent sprint but I think you should expand the scope to include detecting and modeling driver behavior in nearby vehicles. Add a q

by nawgz 4y ago

"Hey guys, self-driving is a decent sprint but I think you should expand the scope to include detecting and modeling driver behavior in nearby vehicles. Add a quick study for HCI to warn drivers of their dangerous aberrant behavior and I think we might have something real here!" - tropsis, 2023

epicureanideal 4y ago
“You can start the next sprint now and we’ll get the final designs to you by Thursday.” -PMs everywhere
mlyle 4y ago
Lol. I think the other comment is making a suggestion that isn't quite reasonable, but maybe it's adjacent to a reasonable ask. Humans have a horn to warn other humans of unsafe behavior or conditions. We really only need to worry about warning in front of us. And we provide some warning to cars behind us in specific cases with hazard lights and brake lights. The autonomous vehicles have a better understanding of the whole state. We've already talked about warning other autonomous cars with V2V, but maybe there's something easy/sane they can do to warn human cars behind them and further increase safety.
jeffbee 4y ago
Predicting the behavior of other actors on the road is a core feature of Waymo. https://waymo.com/research/identifying-driver-interactions-via-conditional-behavior-prediction/ https://waymo.com/research/identifying-driver-interactions-v...
- nawgz 4y ago
  Of course. It's doing that by looking at the vehicle as the agent though; it has nothing to do with "the body language of this pilot suggests this vehicle will do X", it's just a predictive module because it's useless to be able to see another car if you can't predict it's going to go X units forward in the next time tick(s). Adding a layer that models human drivers to augment the prediction of this module you link would be a waste of time.
tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
I think dedicating a small team on this would be a reasonable thing to do. It should be quite separate from the main self-driving task, and would reduce the number of accidents. In the end, if I'm in a self-driving car, I care whether the crash happened, not who caused it. The injuries and hassle are mine either way, the financial damage isn't mine either way.
wmf 4y ago
This feature is also required to solve the trolley problem so they might as well start on it now.

by nawgz 4y ago

epicureanideal 4y ago

“You can start the next sprint now and we’ll get the final designs to you by Thursday.” -PMs everywhere

mlyle 4y ago

Lol. I think the other comment is making a suggestion that isn't quite reasonable, but maybe it's adjacent to a reasonable ask. Humans have a horn to warn other humans of unsafe behavior or conditions. We really only need to worry about warning in front of us. And we provide some warning to cars behind us in specific cases with hazard lights and brake lights. The autonomous vehicles have a better understanding of the whole state. We've already talked about warning other autonomous cars with V2V, but maybe there's something easy/sane they can do to warn human cars behind them and further increase safety.

jeffbee 4y ago

Predicting the behavior of other actors on the road is a core feature of Waymo. https://waymo.com/research/identifying-driver-interactions-via-conditional-behavior-prediction/ https://waymo.com/research/identifying-driver-interactions-v...

nawgz 4y ago
Of course. It's doing that by looking at the vehicle as the agent though; it has nothing to do with "the body language of this pilot suggests this vehicle will do X", it's just a predictive module because it's useless to be able to see another car if you can't predict it's going to go X units forward in the next time tick(s). Adding a layer that models human drivers to augment the prediction of this module you link would be a waste of time.

tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago

I think dedicating a small team on this would be a reasonable thing to do. It should be quite separate from the main self-driving task, and would reduce the number of accidents. In the end, if I'm in a self-driving car, I care whether the crash happened, not who caused it. The injuries and hassle are mine either way, the financial damage isn't mine either way.

wmf 4y ago

This feature is also required to solve the trolley problem so they might as well start on it now.