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Refusing to implement a closed-box proprietary connection like CarPlay, and experiencing a degradation of service because the service provider limits the capabi

by 015a 4y ago

Refusing to implement a closed-box proprietary connection like CarPlay, and experiencing a degradation of service because the service provider limits the capabilities of cheaper, simpler, and more open protocols, isn't a Tesla problem; its an Apple problem. Imagine if Google suddenly started forcing people to use the Gmail app to send multi-recipient emails, such that the Apple Mail app over IMAP could only send to one person.

rootusrootus 4y ago
My frustrations with the Tesla app are 100% about the poor UI and voice interaction, not the inability to send multi-recipient text messages from the car. The degradation has nothing to do with any limitation by Apple or its API, but rather Tesla's choice to lock users out of two well-established mobile platforms. Why do you feel like Tesla is the good guy here, they have the smallest, most exclusive, least open garden in this conversation.
- 015a 4y ago
  I don't feel Tesla is a good guy. Landscapes like this aren't binary, and your insinuation is expanding the context of this discussion further than originally intended, then drawing false conclusions. In the specific issue of remote text messaging protocols: yeah, Tesla should support Android Auto and Apple CarPlay; but this absolutely also has everything to do with limitations in Apple's bluetooth text message access APIs, or at minimum their lack of industry leadership in moving these open standards forward to support more capabilities.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > degradation has nothing to do with any limitation by Apple or its API, but rather Tesla's choice to lock users out of two well-established mobile platforms Tesla made no such choice. They built their own platform, and now Apple doesn't want to work with them. You can decide for yourself whether that's right or not, but that's the side-effect of reinforcing walled gardens. It's no different than Apple forcing developers to work with them proactively. > Why do you feel like Tesla is the good guy here Because Apple is the bigger company, but they still act like the little guy. I'll never buy a Tesla out of principle, but it's your fault for backing yourself into a situation where you see corporations as good guys and bad guys. Both Apple and Tesla worship the same dollar, there is no lesser evil to speak of here.
Longhanks 4y ago
Maybe, perhaps Tesla‘s infotainment is actually usable, I haven’t touched a Tesla, so I can’t tell. But for all infotainment systems I have touched, which is most VW, BMW, Mercedes and Audi systems, CarPlay is a godsend, and I refuse to even consider recommending any car that does not ship it.
- piperswe 4y ago
  I don't have the best opinion of Teslas as a whole after owning one for a year, but I will say the infotainment system is one of the most usable of any I've tried. I didn't really find myself wishing I had CarPlay too much.

by 015a 4y ago

rootusrootus 4y ago

My frustrations with the Tesla app are 100% about the poor UI and voice interaction, not the inability to send multi-recipient text messages from the car. The degradation has nothing to do with any limitation by Apple or its API, but rather Tesla's choice to lock users out of two well-established mobile platforms. Why do you feel like Tesla is the good guy here, they have the smallest, most exclusive, least open garden in this conversation.

015a 4y ago
I don't feel Tesla is a good guy. Landscapes like this aren't binary, and your insinuation is expanding the context of this discussion further than originally intended, then drawing false conclusions. In the specific issue of remote text messaging protocols: yeah, Tesla should support Android Auto and Apple CarPlay; but this absolutely also has everything to do with limitations in Apple's bluetooth text message access APIs, or at minimum their lack of industry leadership in moving these open standards forward to support more capabilities.
smoldesu 4y ago
> degradation has nothing to do with any limitation by Apple or its API, but rather Tesla's choice to lock users out of two well-established mobile platforms Tesla made no such choice. They built their own platform, and now Apple doesn't want to work with them. You can decide for yourself whether that's right or not, but that's the side-effect of reinforcing walled gardens. It's no different than Apple forcing developers to work with them proactively. > Why do you feel like Tesla is the good guy here Because Apple is the bigger company, but they still act like the little guy. I'll never buy a Tesla out of principle, but it's your fault for backing yourself into a situation where you see corporations as good guys and bad guys. Both Apple and Tesla worship the same dollar, there is no lesser evil to speak of here.

Longhanks 4y ago

Maybe, perhaps Tesla‘s infotainment is actually usable, I haven’t touched a Tesla, so I can’t tell. But for all infotainment systems I have touched, which is most VW, BMW, Mercedes and Audi systems, CarPlay is a godsend, and I refuse to even consider recommending any car that does not ship it.

piperswe 4y ago
I don't have the best opinion of Teslas as a whole after owning one for a year, but I will say the infotainment system is one of the most usable of any I've tried. I didn't really find myself wishing I had CarPlay too much.