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> Facebook did not grow because of graphql or vr, it grew because it copied and bought anything in sight. I guess most ppl are too young to remember, however.

> Facebook did not grow because of graphql or vr, it grew because it copied and bought anything in sight. I guess most ppl are too young to remember, however. > but they are not in the business of innovation Who in this thread claimed they are in the business of innovation or that something is innovative only if it affects their direct customers? This entire response is a strawman, plain and simple. Once again, your clearly defined bar is, and I quote: > When did facebook innovate? Stick to the bar you set and be humble when it’s clearly proven to be a dismally low bar.

seydor 4y ago
i did. i said their FB AI innovations are not related to their core business. As much as we try to sugarcoat it, facebook is not known as a mobileUI or languageML company
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  Well it just so happens that most of the things people replied with (in fact, all of the things except PyTorch) have nothing to do with AI innovations, so great we can all agree to call them real innovations. Which is what they all are. And what you claimed Facebook doesn’t do. The fact that you’re continuing to double down is astounding.
  - seydor 4y ago
    It's more astounding that people forget what facebook is, what facebook does, and who is its target audience (not developers). Or people calling Oculus and FBAI etc as facebook innovations. They are acquisitions of existing technologies, paying the way to innovator status
    - mynameisvlad 4y ago
      Those would all be great arguments… had that been where the goal posts were set. But, referring back to all my previous posts, you set them at “when did Facebook innovate”. Maybe next time you comment, you actually read what is being criticized and stick to that, rather than this strawman you keep putting up.
- rvz 4y ago
  Please. This is an escape hatch attempt to avoid being accountable for setting up goal-posts which have been easily met whilst you trying to also move them. Even outside of AI with PyTorch, Facebook invented React and has been pervasively used by hundreds of millions of developers and billions on the web. If neither of those are examples of Facebook's innovations on both the web and AI, then I don't know what is.
  - seydor 4y ago
    > on both the web and AI any company with tons of money is going to build some stuff thats innovative by virtue of hiring people completely irrelevant to its core product. FB is a social networking and ads company and it was not particularly innovative at that. It was not a web development house or an AI powerhouse, and it's still not (that's not where it makes its billions).
    - rvz 4y ago
      > any company with tons of money is going to build some stuff thats innovative by virtue of hiring people completely irrelevant to its core product. So by your own goalposts, they DID release innovations then? > FB is a social networking and ads company and it was not particularly innovative at that. I wonder what those psychologists and engineers who worked on the Like button with the team who built the AI that is used from that, to Ads and the social graph would say about the billions of dollars and stock value that it has made for Facebook. Again, you set those exceeding low goalposts for your point. If not even that is an example of an innovation relevant to Facebook's business and made it billions of dollars, then perhaps nothing is.

seydor 4y ago

i did. i said their FB AI innovations are not related to their core business. As much as we try to sugarcoat it, facebook is not known as a mobileUI or languageML company

mynameisvlad 4y ago
Well it just so happens that most of the things people replied with (in fact, all of the things except PyTorch) have nothing to do with AI innovations, so great we can all agree to call them real innovations. Which is what they all are. And what you claimed Facebook doesn’t do. The fact that you’re continuing to double down is astounding.
- seydor 4y ago
  It's more astounding that people forget what facebook is, what facebook does, and who is its target audience (not developers). Or people calling Oculus and FBAI etc as facebook innovations. They are acquisitions of existing technologies, paying the way to innovator status
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    Those would all be great arguments… had that been where the goal posts were set. But, referring back to all my previous posts, you set them at “when did Facebook innovate”. Maybe next time you comment, you actually read what is being criticized and stick to that, rather than this strawman you keep putting up.
rvz 4y ago
Please. This is an escape hatch attempt to avoid being accountable for setting up goal-posts which have been easily met whilst you trying to also move them. Even outside of AI with PyTorch, Facebook invented React and has been pervasively used by hundreds of millions of developers and billions on the web. If neither of those are examples of Facebook's innovations on both the web and AI, then I don't know what is.
- seydor 4y ago
  > on both the web and AI any company with tons of money is going to build some stuff thats innovative by virtue of hiring people completely irrelevant to its core product. FB is a social networking and ads company and it was not particularly innovative at that. It was not a web development house or an AI powerhouse, and it's still not (that's not where it makes its billions).
  - rvz 4y ago
    > any company with tons of money is going to build some stuff thats innovative by virtue of hiring people completely irrelevant to its core product. So by your own goalposts, they DID release innovations then? > FB is a social networking and ads company and it was not particularly innovative at that. I wonder what those psychologists and engineers who worked on the Like button with the team who built the AI that is used from that, to Ads and the social graph would say about the billions of dollars and stock value that it has made for Facebook. Again, you set those exceeding low goalposts for your point. If not even that is an example of an innovation relevant to Facebook's business and made it billions of dollars, then perhaps nothing is.