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You are the one who set up the goal posts. Just because you don’t like where you put them up doesn’t mean you can change them once people prove you wrong. Nowh

You are the one who set up the goal posts. Just because you don’t like where you put them up doesn’t mean you can change them once people prove you wrong. Nowhere did you say that Facebook’s innovations have to be the reason the end user uses the product, or even used by the end user at all. All you said is that they have never innovated. That is the bar. And it is clearly extremely low as Facebook has done lots of innovating with products used by developers all the time.

seydor 4y ago
I know we are in a bubble. Facebook did not grow because of graphql or vr, it grew because it copied and bought anything in sight. I guess most ppl are too young to remember, however. I guess you could say that fb created some innovations, mostly in their labs, but they are not in the business of innovation
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  > Facebook did not grow because of graphql or vr, it grew because it copied and bought anything in sight. I guess most ppl are too young to remember, however. > but they are not in the business of innovation Who in this thread claimed they are in the business of innovation or that something is innovative only if it affects their direct customers? This entire response is a strawman, plain and simple. Once again, your clearly defined bar is, and I quote: > When did facebook innovate? Stick to the bar you set and be humble when it’s clearly proven to be a dismally low bar.
  - seydor 4y ago
    i did. i said their FB AI innovations are not related to their core business. As much as we try to sugarcoat it, facebook is not known as a mobileUI or languageML company
    - mynameisvlad 4y ago
      Well it just so happens that most of the things people replied with (in fact, all of the things except PyTorch) have nothing to do with AI innovations, so great we can all agree to call them real innovations. Which is what they all are. And what you claimed Facebook doesn’t do. The fact that you’re continuing to double down is astounding.
      - seydor 4y ago
        It's more astounding that people forget what facebook is, what facebook does, and who is its target audience (not developers). Or people calling Oculus and FBAI etc as facebook innovations. They are acquisitions of existing technologies, paying the way to innovator status
        mynameisvlad 4y ago
        Those would all be great arguments… had that been where the goal posts were set. But, referring back to all my previous posts, you set them at “when did Facebook innovate”. Maybe next time you comment, you actually read what is being criticized and stick to that, rather than this strawman you keep putting up.
    - rvz 4y ago
      Please. This is an escape hatch attempt to avoid being accountable for setting up goal-posts which have been easily met whilst you trying to also move them. Even outside of AI with PyTorch, Facebook invented React and has been pervasively used by hundreds of millions of developers and billions on the web. If neither of those are examples of Facebook's innovations on both the web and AI, then I don't know what is.
      - seydor 4y ago
        > on both the web and AI any company with tons of money is going to build some stuff thats innovative by virtue of hiring people completely irrelevant to its core product. FB is a social networking and ads company and it was not particularly innovative at that. It was not a web development house or an AI powerhouse, and it's still not (that's not where it makes its billions).

seydor 4y ago

I know we are in a bubble. Facebook did not grow because of graphql or vr, it grew because it copied and bought anything in sight. I guess most ppl are too young to remember, however. I guess you could say that fb created some innovations, mostly in their labs, but they are not in the business of innovation

mynameisvlad 4y ago
> Facebook did not grow because of graphql or vr, it grew because it copied and bought anything in sight. I guess most ppl are too young to remember, however. > but they are not in the business of innovation Who in this thread claimed they are in the business of innovation or that something is innovative only if it affects their direct customers? This entire response is a strawman, plain and simple. Once again, your clearly defined bar is, and I quote: > When did facebook innovate? Stick to the bar you set and be humble when it’s clearly proven to be a dismally low bar.
- seydor 4y ago
  i did. i said their FB AI innovations are not related to their core business. As much as we try to sugarcoat it, facebook is not known as a mobileUI or languageML company
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    Well it just so happens that most of the things people replied with (in fact, all of the things except PyTorch) have nothing to do with AI innovations, so great we can all agree to call them real innovations. Which is what they all are. And what you claimed Facebook doesn’t do. The fact that you’re continuing to double down is astounding.
    - seydor 4y ago
      It's more astounding that people forget what facebook is, what facebook does, and who is its target audience (not developers). Or people calling Oculus and FBAI etc as facebook innovations. They are acquisitions of existing technologies, paying the way to innovator status
      - mynameisvlad 4y ago
        Those would all be great arguments… had that been where the goal posts were set. But, referring back to all my previous posts, you set them at “when did Facebook innovate”. Maybe next time you comment, you actually read what is being criticized and stick to that, rather than this strawman you keep putting up.
  - rvz 4y ago
    Please. This is an escape hatch attempt to avoid being accountable for setting up goal-posts which have been easily met whilst you trying to also move them. Even outside of AI with PyTorch, Facebook invented React and has been pervasively used by hundreds of millions of developers and billions on the web. If neither of those are examples of Facebook's innovations on both the web and AI, then I don't know what is.
    - seydor 4y ago
      > on both the web and AI any company with tons of money is going to build some stuff thats innovative by virtue of hiring people completely irrelevant to its core product. FB is a social networking and ads company and it was not particularly innovative at that. It was not a web development house or an AI powerhouse, and it's still not (that's not where it makes its billions).