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I agree that proprietary protocols suck and users are harmed long term, iMessage due to reasons described is by far the worst : it doesn't even bother to tell s

I agree that proprietary protocols suck and users are harmed long term, iMessage due to reasons described is by far the worst : it doesn't even bother to tell senders reliably if recipients received it, not even going into read status. Due to Apple's desperate need to keep all their inventions to themselves only regardless of long term effects (lightning port say hi and bye in quick succession), its worse than useless and actually harms communication between people. I don't know a single person/haven't met a single one in Switzerland in past 13 years who is using it, everybody is on some other competition (while working in IT and bank and quite a few folks here sport mostly older apple devices).

rootusrootus 4y ago
> it doesn't even bother to tell senders reliably if recipients received it, not even going into read status Huh? That's exactly what iMessage does, and one of the key reasons people prefer it over SMS.
shagie 4y ago
https://support.apple.com/guide/messages/change-imessage-settings-in-messages-on-mac-icht39422/14.0/mac/13.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/messages/change-imessage-set... > Send read receipts > Turn on read receipts so that people who send you messages see when you’ve read them. > You can also send read receipts for a conversation only. The per-conversation setting overrides the global setting. --- Note that some people don't enable this. One member of my family has read receipts off and I don't see anything on that one. Another member has them on and I can see 'delivered' and 'read' show up. Many people who are security conscious have that setting off by default because, well, security conscious. I would contend that not having read receipts as an option is important functionality for some.
- thewebcount 4y ago
  Even if the other person in the conversation has read receipts turned off you will still get a delivery receipt that shows it made it to their phone. I turn off read receipts because it's nobody's damn business if I read their message or not.
itake 4y ago
I think you might be confused why Apple exists. Apple exists to make money for its shareholders. Lightening port will bring in more revenue than USB-C. iMessage creates social pressure for people to buy iPhones to match their friends. iMessage access to non-Apple products doesn’t increase their revenue. Apple is not an altruistic not for profit organization.

rootusrootus 4y ago

> it doesn't even bother to tell senders reliably if recipients received it, not even going into read status Huh? That's exactly what iMessage does, and one of the key reasons people prefer it over SMS.

shagie 4y ago

https://support.apple.com/guide/messages/change-imessage-settings-in-messages-on-mac-icht39422/14.0/mac/13.0 https://support.apple.com/guide/messages/change-imessage-set... > Send read receipts > Turn on read receipts so that people who send you messages see when you’ve read them. > You can also send read receipts for a conversation only. The per-conversation setting overrides the global setting. --- Note that some people don't enable this. One member of my family has read receipts off and I don't see anything on that one. Another member has them on and I can see 'delivered' and 'read' show up. Many people who are security conscious have that setting off by default because, well, security conscious. I would contend that not having read receipts as an option is important functionality for some.

thewebcount 4y ago
Even if the other person in the conversation has read receipts turned off you will still get a delivery receipt that shows it made it to their phone. I turn off read receipts because it's nobody's damn business if I read their message or not.

itake 4y ago

I think you might be confused why Apple exists. Apple exists to make money for its shareholders. Lightening port will bring in more revenue than USB-C. iMessage creates social pressure for people to buy iPhones to match their friends. iMessage access to non-Apple products doesn’t increase their revenue. Apple is not an altruistic not for profit organization.