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>Availability > >Available to Google Workspace Enterprise Plus, Education Plus, and Education Standard customers >Not available to Google Workspace Essentials,

by xinu2020 4y ago

>Availability > >Available to Google Workspace Enterprise Plus, Education Plus, and Education Standard customers >Not available to Google Workspace Essentials, Business Starter, Business Standard, Business Plus, Enterprise Essentials, Education Fundamentals, Frontline, and Nonprofits, as well as legacy G Suite Basic and Business customers >Not available to users with personal Google Accounts Also to be available it must first be enabled by a workspace admin, then by the end user.

kybernetikos 4y ago
Yeah, It's understandable that they would use this as a differentiator, but in reality, we all gain when encryption is rolled out more broadly.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  Who is "we" in this context?
fauigerzigerk 4y ago
To me this feature looks like a box ticking exercise with an eye toward government contracts. Microsoft has it so Google needs it too in order to avoid looking less secure to decision makers who may not know whether or not it will ever be needed.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Sure, it ticks this exact box that the help article mentions: > Your organization operates in a highly regulated industry, like aerospace and defense, financial services, or government.
- latchkey 4y ago
  This is not just tick a checkbox and it is done. Enabling it is non-trivial as it requires setting up a whole bunch of stuff, like integrating with a third party key service provider (or setting up your own).
  - fauigerzigerk 4y ago
    I didn't mean to say anything about how hard it is to implement. What I'm saying is that the point of implementing this feature may not be that it's expected to be tremendously useful for a lot of actual users. Rather I think the point is to not leave the "has client-side encryption" box unchecked in any comparison charts or scoring systems that may influence purchasing decisions.
we_never_see_it 4y ago
> Also to be available it must first be enabled by a workspace admin, then by the end user. Just out of curiosity, why would you expect anything different?
- londons_explore 4y ago
  I'm very surprised it isn't force enabled by the admin, with the end user having no say in the matter. Admins of many orgs don't like letting the user have options for things like security.
  - _23sd 4y ago
    The feature is meant for especially sensitive documents, you wouldn’t want it turned on for everything in the organization because it limits useful features like search and printing. More mature products like Azure Information Protection let you require encryption for certain documents based on policy, but that doesn’t seem to be part of what Google is announcing here.
    - JoshTriplett 4y ago
      > you wouldn’t want it turned on for everything in the organization because it limits useful features like search and printing Some organizations would want to prioritize encryption over search/printing. (Also, there's no reason search and printing couldn't work with encryption.)
      - prophesi 4y ago
        At the very least, I can confirm that ProtonMail and Apple's Mail clients let you search through the message contents of encrypted email. I'm sure there's a performance hit, and admins wouldn't be able to search through the encrypted emails of their Workspace users, but that's a much more reasonable tradeoff.
        londons_explore 4y ago
idiotsecant 4y ago
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- mattzito 4y ago
  I will just repeat over and over again, that is absolutely not true. Your email data is not used for ad targeting, search personalization, or anything else. Nothing inside of Google Workspace - drive, docs, sheets, slides, chat, gmail, keep, etc. is used for any purpose outside of workspace. Source: worked on workspace for years
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - influx 4y ago
    What about Google Purchases reading my Amazon receipts? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/17/google-gmail-tracks-purchase-history-how-to-delete-it.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/17/google-gmail-tracks-purchase... Now my Amazon emails are neutered. Thanks.
    - patd 4y ago
      He specifically said Google Workspace which is the non-free version of the Google suite.
      - mattzito 4y ago
        This applies to the paid and free versions equally
    - eli 4y ago
      FTA: "We don’t use any information from your Gmail messages to serve you ads, and that includes the email receipts and confirmations shown on the Purchase page" Other companies like unroll.me, however, were absolutely data mining your receipts and then selling the results.
  - 4y ago
Neil44 4y ago
Similar to Microsoft 365 - you need a higher end subscription there too.

kybernetikos 4y ago

Yeah, It's understandable that they would use this as a differentiator, but in reality, we all gain when encryption is rolled out more broadly.

shadowgovt 4y ago
Who is "we" in this context?

fauigerzigerk 4y ago

To me this feature looks like a box ticking exercise with an eye toward government contracts. Microsoft has it so Google needs it too in order to avoid looking less secure to decision makers who may not know whether or not it will ever be needed.

jeffbee 4y ago
Sure, it ticks this exact box that the help article mentions: > Your organization operates in a highly regulated industry, like aerospace and defense, financial services, or government.
latchkey 4y ago
This is not just tick a checkbox and it is done. Enabling it is non-trivial as it requires setting up a whole bunch of stuff, like integrating with a third party key service provider (or setting up your own).
- fauigerzigerk 4y ago
  I didn't mean to say anything about how hard it is to implement. What I'm saying is that the point of implementing this feature may not be that it's expected to be tremendously useful for a lot of actual users. Rather I think the point is to not leave the "has client-side encryption" box unchecked in any comparison charts or scoring systems that may influence purchasing decisions.

we_never_see_it 4y ago

> Also to be available it must first be enabled by a workspace admin, then by the end user. Just out of curiosity, why would you expect anything different?

londons_explore 4y ago
I'm very surprised it isn't force enabled by the admin, with the end user having no say in the matter. Admins of many orgs don't like letting the user have options for things like security.
- _23sd 4y ago
  The feature is meant for especially sensitive documents, you wouldn’t want it turned on for everything in the organization because it limits useful features like search and printing. More mature products like Azure Information Protection let you require encryption for certain documents based on policy, but that doesn’t seem to be part of what Google is announcing here.
  - JoshTriplett 4y ago
    > you wouldn’t want it turned on for everything in the organization because it limits useful features like search and printing Some organizations would want to prioritize encryption over search/printing. (Also, there's no reason search and printing couldn't work with encryption.)
    - prophesi 4y ago
      At the very least, I can confirm that ProtonMail and Apple's Mail clients let you search through the message contents of encrypted email. I'm sure there's a performance hit, and admins wouldn't be able to search through the encrypted emails of their Workspace users, but that's a much more reasonable tradeoff.
      - londons_explore 4y ago

idiotsecant 4y ago

[flagged]

mattzito 4y ago
I will just repeat over and over again, that is absolutely not true. Your email data is not used for ad targeting, search personalization, or anything else. Nothing inside of Google Workspace - drive, docs, sheets, slides, chat, gmail, keep, etc. is used for any purpose outside of workspace. Source: worked on workspace for years
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- influx 4y ago
  What about Google Purchases reading my Amazon receipts? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/17/google-gmail-tracks-purchase-history-how-to-delete-it.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/17/google-gmail-tracks-purchase... Now my Amazon emails are neutered. Thanks.
  - patd 4y ago
    He specifically said Google Workspace which is the non-free version of the Google suite.
    - mattzito 4y ago
      This applies to the paid and free versions equally
  - eli 4y ago
    FTA: "We don’t use any information from your Gmail messages to serve you ads, and that includes the email receipts and confirmations shown on the Purchase page" Other companies like unroll.me, however, were absolutely data mining your receipts and then selling the results.
- 4y ago

Neil44 4y ago

Similar to Microsoft 365 - you need a higher end subscription there too.