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I feel like Google is quite down to earth and EVERYONE ELSE has delusions of Google Exceptionalism. From regulators to users to staff. * Google cannot provide

I feel like Google is quite down to earth and EVERYONE ELSE has delusions of Google Exceptionalism. From regulators to users to staff. * Google cannot provide you with an internet free of "bad things" (defined 8bn different ways by 8bn different people). * Google are a decades old, mature, mega corp, they are pressed to be efficient and that means (increasingly) layoffs, not R&D. * Google cannot provide gold standard service quality to accounts that are worth a few dollars or even 100s of dollars a year. * Google cannot magically produce secure systems WITH backdoors only for law enforcement etc. * Breaking up google will not solve any of these issues either And yet people continue to insist...

ttt3ts 4y ago
Yea, I figured Google was the average mega corp when they removed "don't be evil". Still, they have areas where they need regulation. E.g. Paying Mozzila and Apple to be default search is anticompetitive.
- bagacrap 4y ago
  Meh, it's just a default. Users can switch away. Without this revenue, Mozilla would die and there would be /less/ competition in the browser space. In the car of Apple, nearly all people would probably choose Google anyway. Apple is extracting rent because they dominate the market of high worth end users.
abudabi123 4y ago
Downsize Alphabet/Goog by seventy percent to wring out the SF, Berkley niche community interests projected in culture war ads. Twitter did and the world's richest individual owns it. Do it.
seanhunter 4y ago
People advocating for a breakup[1] are mostly trying to separate advertising sales from search to prevent what seems like a manifest conflict of interest. I think preventing monopoly rather than exceptionalism is the motivation. [1] eg the US DoJ https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/24/doj-files-second-antitrust-lawsuit-against-google.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/24/doj-files-second-antitrust-l... thinktanks https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/19/break_up_google_143486.html# https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/19/break_...! the EU (although that's old) https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/27/european-parliament-votes-yes-google-breakup-motion https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/27/european-...
sacnoradhq 4y ago
I'm unsure how your comment about external matters relates to the article because none of these were discussed. The criticisms were specifically internal: 1. no mission, 2. no urgency, 3. delusions of exceptionalism, and 4. mismanagement. 1. Never sure which product to work on. Jumping round starting and stopping products without a sense of strategy. 2. Country club mindset where everything moves slowly and people aren't driven. 3. "My way is already perfect, so there's nothing to change." It's typical introvert developer-is-also-the-PM behavior. 4. Managers making technical decisions. These types of signals are typical of end-stage, innovation-dead corporations because I've seen many of them up close and personally. And, I've also have seen the energy of startups and companies that were still ascending.
JohnFen 4y ago
> I feel like Google is quite down to earth Google likes to present itself as hypercompetent and full of the best engineers that exist on the planet. In that sense, Google is the exact opposite of "down to earth". Being down to earth involves humility, with is not the image Google projects. Many others do overestimate Google's abilities and expect Google to accomplish the impossible. But it seems to me that they're encouraged in this line of thinking by Google's own PR.
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ttt3ts 4y ago

Yea, I figured Google was the average mega corp when they removed "don't be evil". Still, they have areas where they need regulation. E.g. Paying Mozzila and Apple to be default search is anticompetitive.

bagacrap 4y ago
Meh, it's just a default. Users can switch away. Without this revenue, Mozilla would die and there would be /less/ competition in the browser space. In the car of Apple, nearly all people would probably choose Google anyway. Apple is extracting rent because they dominate the market of high worth end users.

abudabi123 4y ago

Downsize Alphabet/Goog by seventy percent to wring out the SF, Berkley niche community interests projected in culture war ads. Twitter did and the world's richest individual owns it. Do it.

seanhunter 4y ago

People advocating for a breakup[1] are mostly trying to separate advertising sales from search to prevent what seems like a manifest conflict of interest. I think preventing monopoly rather than exceptionalism is the motivation. [1] eg the US DoJ https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/24/doj-files-second-antitrust-lawsuit-against-google.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/24/doj-files-second-antitrust-l... thinktanks https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/19/break_up_google_143486.html# https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/19/break_...! the EU (although that's old) https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/27/european-parliament-votes-yes-google-breakup-motion https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/27/european-...

sacnoradhq 4y ago

I'm unsure how your comment about external matters relates to the article because none of these were discussed. The criticisms were specifically internal: 1. no mission, 2. no urgency, 3. delusions of exceptionalism, and 4. mismanagement. 1. Never sure which product to work on. Jumping round starting and stopping products without a sense of strategy. 2. Country club mindset where everything moves slowly and people aren't driven. 3. "My way is already perfect, so there's nothing to change." It's typical introvert developer-is-also-the-PM behavior. 4. Managers making technical decisions. These types of signals are typical of end-stage, innovation-dead corporations because I've seen many of them up close and personally. And, I've also have seen the energy of startups and companies that were still ascending.

JohnFen 4y ago

> I feel like Google is quite down to earth Google likes to present itself as hypercompetent and full of the best engineers that exist on the planet. In that sense, Google is the exact opposite of "down to earth". Being down to earth involves humility, with is not the image Google projects. Many others do overestimate Google's abilities and expect Google to accomplish the impossible. But it seems to me that they're encouraged in this line of thinking by Google's own PR.

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