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Aren't dogfights a relict of WW2? I don't think modern fighter jets would ever enter one, unless they have to rely on their cannon only. I think almost all A2A
by panki27 4y ago
Aren't dogfights a relict of WW2? I don't think modern fighter jets would ever enter one, unless they have to rely on their cannon only.
I think almost all A2A kills today happen out of visual range with long distance fire-and-forget missiles.
- lelandfe 4y agoThat is true of America (Gulf War, not WW2), which has enjoyed air superiority in nearly all of its conflicts in the last few decades.[0] But here’s a video of a dogfight between Russia and Ukraine fighters: https://eurasiantimes.com/ukrainian-su-27-flanker-dogfighting-a-russian-fighter-jet/ https://eurasiantimes.com/ukrainian-su-27-flanker-dogfightin... [0] https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/are-the-days-of-dogfights-over-an-in-depth-air-combat-analysis/ https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/are-the-days-of-dogfights-over-...
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- n4r9 4y agoThat article itself seems to throw doubt on whether that was really a "dogfight": >EurAsian Times reached out to Aviation Analyst Prashant Prabhakar, who sounded a more skeptical note. >According to Prabhakar, “Dogfights – a term used to describe close-quarter aerial combat between fighter jets has been a major component of aerial wars at least until the early 90s. Modern terminology for the same is air combat maneuvering (ACM). >As significant as they are, such maneuvers are hardly routine in modern air combat, much less seen by civilians on the ground. >From what is reported, a Ukrainian Air Force Su-27 Flanker fighter is said to be deploying infrared flares to spoof an infrared-guided air-to-air missile, or AAM, fired by a Russian fighter jet, which again isn’t clearly shown in the video. >As fascinating as it looks, I’d still be more interested in a more, perhaps clear video of the said “dogfight” for a better conclusion. Dogfights in the 21st century? Sounds too good to be true? Perhaps it is. or maybe not”.
- mc32 4y agoI'd agree with his take. Dogfights, as the term alludes to, is close-quarters and scrappy, on top of each other. This appears to be more of taking evasive manoeuvers and ACM is more appropriate.
- dncornholio 4y agoNothing concrete in the evidence. The so called Ukrainian fighter was never in the picture.
- lelandfe 4y agoI nominally agree, although a WSJ military reporter saying this does add credence.
- eggsmediumrare 4y agoPilots train dogfights a lot. They're not what you're thinking though. A 1v1 dogfight is over in one or two maneuvers and depends heavily on what kind of planes are involved.
- dncornholio 4y agoHonestely, the chance of getting even in a 1v1 dogfight is just super slim. Missiles and radars have beyond view range capabilities so the fighter would already be death before a visual can be taken.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoRegardless, I don't think a "dogfight" would happen at Mach 11. The energy involved is staggering, I imagine you'd have more casualties due to tearing apart the airframe from g-forces than weapon's fire.
- cbm-vic-20 4y agoA quick review of Wikipedia shows that the F-35 and F-22 are both capable (or are always equipped?) with multibarrel cannons. Why? When was the last time a US or NATO plane scored an air-to-air combat kill with a gun? I can kind of see the justification for the F-35 since it's a multi-role plane, with some configurations designed for closely supporting ground forces.
- wbl 4y agoIn Vietnam ROE were tight enough that the BVR sparrow couldn't be fired until within sight leading to dogfights.