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Making millions of cases does not make any sense in today’s environmental content and will have a negative impact on the planet Interesting that they make this

Making millions of cases does not make any sense in today’s environmental content and will have a negative impact on the planet Interesting that they make this argument, and not the rather more obvious one that their 55 ABV spirit, like all spirits, is going to be overwhelmingly consumed by people who drink way too much.

Nursie 4y ago
Have you got any context for that claim? (Context for the question - I barely drink spirits, but I used to enjoy them quite a lot at a time when I drank more in general, and I'd be interested to read about it, whether this is common etc)
- vintermann 4y ago
  Here's a summary with references: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/f98f97b1-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/f98f97b1-en#section-d1e6167 https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/f98f97b1-en/index.html?i... There's little reason to think expensive, exclusive spirits are exempt from this pattern.
  - Nursie 4y ago
    It looks like the results are for all alcohol, rather than specifically spirits. I was kinda/sorta expecting something specific to stronger alcohol being disproportionately consumed by those who also consumed other alcohol. Like if 50% of all booze is consumed by 10% of the population who are heavy drinkers, does that skew to 90% of spirits? Interesting read anyway.
poooogles 4y ago
People who drink way too much don't drink £55 a bottle spirits. They drink £20 a bottle spirits.
- vintermann 4y ago
  Not all top consumers are so poor that they have to go for the cheap stuff. Also, if you're one of the people drinking it once a year, twenty of you is worth one of them to the producer. It doesn't take many such people to swamp you, consumption wise. I rented a cellar apartment in one of the most expensive neighbourhoods in my country for some years. (I got it cheap because the owner mostly just wanted someone to be there when she was away, also there was no real kitchen). Other than me and the au-pairs I met on morning jogs, everyone there was probably obscenely rich. And I'm no expert on those things, but the bottles I saw lying along the roads on those jogs didn't seem like the cheap sort.
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    It's still a rounding error compared to the bottles of cheap vodka and whisky (or whatever) in the rest of the city.
- hnbad 4y ago
  How much alcoholics spend to satisfy their addiction is largely a function of how much disposable income they can muster.
nbaugh1 4y ago
Eh, I wouldn't point to Chartreuse as a favorite of heavy drinkers, despite the ABV. Far far far more people are getting shithoused on simple, cheap things like wine

Nursie 4y ago

Have you got any context for that claim? (Context for the question - I barely drink spirits, but I used to enjoy them quite a lot at a time when I drank more in general, and I'd be interested to read about it, whether this is common etc)

vintermann 4y ago
Here's a summary with references: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/f98f97b1-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/f98f97b1-en#section-d1e6167 https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/f98f97b1-en/index.html?i... There's little reason to think expensive, exclusive spirits are exempt from this pattern.
- Nursie 4y ago
  It looks like the results are for all alcohol, rather than specifically spirits. I was kinda/sorta expecting something specific to stronger alcohol being disproportionately consumed by those who also consumed other alcohol. Like if 50% of all booze is consumed by 10% of the population who are heavy drinkers, does that skew to 90% of spirits? Interesting read anyway.

poooogles 4y ago

People who drink way too much don't drink £55 a bottle spirits. They drink £20 a bottle spirits.

vintermann 4y ago
Not all top consumers are so poor that they have to go for the cheap stuff. Also, if you're one of the people drinking it once a year, twenty of you is worth one of them to the producer. It doesn't take many such people to swamp you, consumption wise. I rented a cellar apartment in one of the most expensive neighbourhoods in my country for some years. (I got it cheap because the owner mostly just wanted someone to be there when she was away, also there was no real kitchen). Other than me and the au-pairs I met on morning jogs, everyone there was probably obscenely rich. And I'm no expert on those things, but the bottles I saw lying along the roads on those jogs didn't seem like the cheap sort.
- Symbiote 4y ago
  It's still a rounding error compared to the bottles of cheap vodka and whisky (or whatever) in the rest of the city.
hnbad 4y ago
How much alcoholics spend to satisfy their addiction is largely a function of how much disposable income they can muster.

nbaugh1 4y ago

Eh, I wouldn't point to Chartreuse as a favorite of heavy drinkers, despite the ABV. Far far far more people are getting shithoused on simple, cheap things like wine