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> Wayland is still unusable Wait, what have I been doing my work on then? Someone should inform Ubuntu and Fedora, too. Who knew it hasn’t been possible to use

• oleg_antonyan 4y ago
  YMMV. When it reaches the level of X11 that "just works for everyone without preconditions" it will become usable in my coordinate system
  • throwawaylinux 4y ago
    X11 is not usable for everybody without preconditions though.
    • rekoil 4y ago
      Exactly, there's hundreds of lines of illegible X configuration for every such "just works" setup. There's a difference between "the community has learned to deal with it" and "just works".
    • kaba0 4y ago
      I honestly don’t get people, like were these people just extremely lucky and never had to tweak anything? Like, I remember times when I had to blindly log into my user and try to fix my setup from there, purely by muscle memory.
      • yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
        > I honestly don’t get people, like were these people just extremely lucky and never had to tweak anything? Yeah, that's about how I feel about Wayland. I'm not sure quite why there are two groups of people with such wildly different experiences talking past each other, but I suspect it comes down to what each user wants the software to do and what hardware they're running on.
  • saturn_vk 4y ago
    I remember in the early 2000s still needing to write to a config file to get X to work on my desktops at the time. Was it 30 years old at that time? I've been running Wayland crash free for a few years already, without the need to touch a single config file. Does that mean it reached better usability at least twice as fast compared to X?
    • messe 4y ago
      I remember having to tweak Xorg.conf in the late 00s. The X11 xkcd[1] is from 2011. [1]: https://xkcd.com/963/ https://xkcd.com/963/