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> but rather that the entire state machinery – politicians, regulators, intelligence agencies, banks – was complicit in the fraud because they wanted to take cr

by dmix 4y ago

> but rather that the entire state machinery – politicians, regulators, intelligence agencies, banks – was complicit in the fraud because they wanted to take credit for a German company It's interesting how The New Yorker still made the "links to Russian intelligence" the lead in their headline. Foreign boogiemen are always more palatable than blaming regular old politicians/businessmen domestically. Or at least the more juicy tidbit for clickbait.

jjoonathan 4y ago
> It's interesting how The New Yorker still made the "links to Russian intelligence" the lead in their headline. Foreign boogiemen are always more palatable than blaming regular old politicians/businessmen domestically. Or at least the more juicy tidbit for clickbait. I don't see Russia anywhere in the headline, only a passing mention in the subheadline after mentioning the German elite and a facade of innovation. The subheadline correctly prioritizes the two according to how they appear in the story, in the exact manner which you suggest it does not. Lol. You, on the other hand, were very quick to "Russia Hoax!" post. Agenda much?
- dmix 4y ago
  https://i.imgur.com/uXJRq74.png https://i.imgur.com/uXJRq74.png It's relevant you think anyone questioning this well established instinct by national papers is pro-Russian though. Pretty standard these days. I don't feel the need to defend my support of Ukraine or being anti-Russia or w/e, I've done that enough elsewhere. I tend to give HN enough credit where I don't feel the need to make that sort of thing apparent (similar to using /s for the subset who always miss the obvious). But I guess nuance is potentially lost among Twitter-brained social media users which risks derailing threads.
  - jjoonathan 4y ago
    Your post was a knee-jerk repeat of a very common conservative talking point. It had no nuance to lose.
Paradigma11 4y ago
Jan Marsalek, who shoulders much of the responsibility of this criminal enterprise was extremely cosy with the GRU and is now living in Moscow. I do think the fact that russian intelligence services are involved is pretty important. It provides additional evidence to the hostility of the russian government to western countries long before the Ukraine war which is of public interest. But this does not absolve the german corrupt poltical and buerocratic underbelly of this affair.
- hulitu 4y ago
  > and is now living in Moscow. Do you have a source for this ?
  - dendrite9 4y ago
    https://dossier.center/yan-german-en/ https://dossier.center/yan-german-en/ It looks like he was living there and had at least one Russian passport in 2021. The Dossier Center site is funded Khodorkovsky for anyone who cares this seems to be the source for several of the other articles about him being in Moscow.

by dmix 4y ago

jjoonathan 4y ago

> It's interesting how The New Yorker still made the "links to Russian intelligence" the lead in their headline. Foreign boogiemen are always more palatable than blaming regular old politicians/businessmen domestically. Or at least the more juicy tidbit for clickbait. I don't see Russia anywhere in the headline, only a passing mention in the subheadline after mentioning the German elite and a facade of innovation. The subheadline correctly prioritizes the two according to how they appear in the story, in the exact manner which you suggest it does not. Lol. You, on the other hand, were very quick to "Russia Hoax!" post. Agenda much?

dmix 4y ago
https://i.imgur.com/uXJRq74.png https://i.imgur.com/uXJRq74.png It's relevant you think anyone questioning this well established instinct by national papers is pro-Russian though. Pretty standard these days. I don't feel the need to defend my support of Ukraine or being anti-Russia or w/e, I've done that enough elsewhere. I tend to give HN enough credit where I don't feel the need to make that sort of thing apparent (similar to using /s for the subset who always miss the obvious). But I guess nuance is potentially lost among Twitter-brained social media users which risks derailing threads.
- jjoonathan 4y ago
  Your post was a knee-jerk repeat of a very common conservative talking point. It had no nuance to lose.

Paradigma11 4y ago

Jan Marsalek, who shoulders much of the responsibility of this criminal enterprise was extremely cosy with the GRU and is now living in Moscow. I do think the fact that russian intelligence services are involved is pretty important. It provides additional evidence to the hostility of the russian government to western countries long before the Ukraine war which is of public interest. But this does not absolve the german corrupt poltical and buerocratic underbelly of this affair.

hulitu 4y ago
> and is now living in Moscow. Do you have a source for this ?
- dendrite9 4y ago
  https://dossier.center/yan-german-en/ https://dossier.center/yan-german-en/ It looks like he was living there and had at least one Russian passport in 2021. The Dossier Center site is funded Khodorkovsky for anyone who cares this seems to be the source for several of the other articles about him being in Moscow.