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That's not arguing in good faith. Here's a simple example: you want hyprland, patheon and interception-caps2esc on ubuntu? Good luck! On arch, it's just a pac

by csdvrx 4y ago

That's not arguing in good faith. Here's a simple example: you want hyprland, patheon and interception-caps2esc on ubuntu? Good luck! On arch, it's just a pacman away. You don't like how arch is perceived as elitist? Use manjaro. Ubuntu had its place in the last century, but with most development happening on git you need a rolling release.

culopatin 4y ago
It’s not funny if you have to explain it but it was mostly a joke, without rolling eyes. Also making fun a bit about how easy it is to make a claim that something is better than another thing and leave it at that, which is very common in every population but in particular something you hear from the arch one. I use Arch btw.
- csdvrx 4y ago
  > It’s not funny if you have to explain it but it was mostly a joke, without rolling eyes. Poe law strikes again! My apologies then, because I known how Arch can have this reputation. But Arch is just so good! Ubuntu and RedHat seem to be stuck in the past: it's not just about rolling releases, but many small details that pile up. FYI I also find Alpine very interesting.
  - alex_smart 4y ago
    > Ubuntu and RedHat seem to be stuck in the past Like offering users a GUI click-through installer?
    - csdvrx 4y ago
      > Like offering users a GUI click-through installer? I can't say if it's a joke or if you are serious. But if you like an installer, there's manjaro. Personally, I think install shouldn't need a click-through installer: it should be done by a commandline, to have a finer control over all the details. With Ubuntu, I only used the installer iso to type Control-Shift-A to get a terminal, install rsync and do my tinkering.
      - nortonham 4y ago
        you can't control details with a GUI?
        csdvrx 4y ago
        Then can you tell me how to use the ubuntu GUI install to a ZFS encrypted root, without zsys, without grub but with a .efi packed kernel? Or how can you mount the efi partition to new systemd location /efi instead of /boot/efi (ex: if you're not using grub) without breaking the install? There are just too many choices for too many people. It's best not to play, and let it be a commandline problem. You rarely have to reinstall without another OS or boot media, so doing a chroot and copy-pasting the right commands (or rsync or untar a working master image) is just simpler.
      - alex_smart 4y ago
        I was obviously being sarcastic, but the sarcasm was earnest. For the most part, there shouldn't be any details to control. Just pick defaults that work for 99% users and let them get on with their life. >But if you like an installer, there's manjaro. Manjaro is not Arch. My comment was a criticism of Arch Linux, not Manjaro.

by csdvrx 4y ago

culopatin 4y ago

It’s not funny if you have to explain it but it was mostly a joke, without rolling eyes. Also making fun a bit about how easy it is to make a claim that something is better than another thing and leave it at that, which is very common in every population but in particular something you hear from the arch one. I use Arch btw.

csdvrx 4y ago
> It’s not funny if you have to explain it but it was mostly a joke, without rolling eyes. Poe law strikes again! My apologies then, because I known how Arch can have this reputation. But Arch is just so good! Ubuntu and RedHat seem to be stuck in the past: it's not just about rolling releases, but many small details that pile up. FYI I also find Alpine very interesting.
- alex_smart 4y ago
  > Ubuntu and RedHat seem to be stuck in the past Like offering users a GUI click-through installer?
  - csdvrx 4y ago
    > Like offering users a GUI click-through installer? I can't say if it's a joke or if you are serious. But if you like an installer, there's manjaro. Personally, I think install shouldn't need a click-through installer: it should be done by a commandline, to have a finer control over all the details. With Ubuntu, I only used the installer iso to type Control-Shift-A to get a terminal, install rsync and do my tinkering.
    - nortonham 4y ago
      you can't control details with a GUI?
      - csdvrx 4y ago
        Then can you tell me how to use the ubuntu GUI install to a ZFS encrypted root, without zsys, without grub but with a .efi packed kernel? Or how can you mount the efi partition to new systemd location /efi instead of /boot/efi (ex: if you're not using grub) without breaking the install? There are just too many choices for too many people. It's best not to play, and let it be a commandline problem. You rarely have to reinstall without another OS or boot media, so doing a chroot and copy-pasting the right commands (or rsync or untar a working master image) is just simpler.
    - alex_smart 4y ago
      I was obviously being sarcastic, but the sarcasm was earnest. For the most part, there shouldn't be any details to control. Just pick defaults that work for 99% users and let them get on with their life. >But if you like an installer, there's manjaro. Manjaro is not Arch. My comment was a criticism of Arch Linux, not Manjaro.