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Anecdotally I think the answer is "yes!!!" A little over a decade ago the industry (of people that cared about C++) were psyched about C++11. Today people don'

by duped 4y ago

Anecdotally I think the answer is "yes!!!" A little over a decade ago the industry (of people that cared about C++) were psyched about C++11. Today people don't really give a crap about C++20 other than checking that their code still compiles and people barely know what's in C++23. The air has been let out of the balloon, since other ecosystems have grown up and are easier/better to use than C++. I know of multiple shops that would have "never" moved off C++ that have switched to C# or Go. The performance is there and the headaches aren't. And frankly, C++ doesn't have an ecosystem. There's boost, abseil, folly, and to an extent Qt. Everything else is C and wrappers around C. Moving off C++ means adopting a language with a good standard library and/or an actual ecosystem that does useful things - which C++ massively lacks. Rust is definitely in the wings and growing, it's just a shame that so much of the industrial use turned out to be crypto. Once C++ developers get over their irrational fear of generic programming and package management, Rust and it's ecosystem become extremely compelling.

humanrebar 4y ago
The fact that Rust has an ecosystem kind of hobbles it. C and C++ are often used in basically all the other ecosystems because that's what they are for. C and C++ don't have a fear of package management. On the contrary, they're packaged in more ecosystems than probably anything else: gems, wheels, rpms, debs, nix, conan, vcpkg, you name it. The hard part of C and C++ packaging is making it easy for projects to integrate in all those ecosystems. If carbon goes the same route as Rust, Go, etc. by standing up yet another hermetic ecosystem, it will be very clear that it's not really trying to replace C and C++; it will merely be trying to carve out a new niche.
pjmlp 4y ago
I am convinced that had Java and C# been Delphi like in, a RAD environment AOT compiled by default, with the performance focus that only now they are having due to Go and such, and probably not even C++11 would have mattered that much.

by duped 4y ago

humanrebar 4y ago

The fact that Rust has an ecosystem kind of hobbles it. C and C++ are often used in basically all the other ecosystems because that's what they are for. C and C++ don't have a fear of package management. On the contrary, they're packaged in more ecosystems than probably anything else: gems, wheels, rpms, debs, nix, conan, vcpkg, you name it. The hard part of C and C++ packaging is making it easy for projects to integrate in all those ecosystems. If carbon goes the same route as Rust, Go, etc. by standing up yet another hermetic ecosystem, it will be very clear that it's not really trying to replace C and C++; it will merely be trying to carve out a new niche.

pjmlp 4y ago

I am convinced that had Java and C# been Delphi like in, a RAD environment AOT compiled by default, with the performance focus that only now they are having due to Go and such, and probably not even C++11 would have mattered that much.