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Do "IF-THEN" statements count as AI? Do rules-based expert systems count?

IncRnd 4y ago
The entire post was about keeping AI claims in check. Whether you market your IF-THEN statements or rules-based expert systems as AIs is what matters.
- jaredsohn 4y ago
  But if those things are considered AI then why would it matters if you market them as AI?
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    Why do you consider them to be AI? Random IF-THEN statements are not AI, or any program fragment would be AI. False advertisement is under the FTC's purvue. [1] When the Federal Trade Commission finds a case of fraud perpetrated on consumers, the agency files actions in federal district court for immediate and permanent orders to stop scams; prevent fraudsters from perpetrating scams in the future; freeze their assets; and get compensation for victims.When consumers see or hear an advertisement, whether it’s on the Internet, radio or television, or anywhere else, federal law says that ad must be truthful, not misleading, and, when appropriate, backed by scientific evidence. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/topics/truth-advertising https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/topics/truth-advertising
    - omarfarooq 4y ago
      So what's the FTC's definition of AI then?
      - chris_wot 4y ago
        The same as the advertiser's definition.
    - jaredsohn 4y ago
      Not sure why you're quoting the false advertisement text; it doesn't pertain to the argument of what is considered to be AI. At least rules-based expert systems have always been a part of artificial intelligence. They shouldn't be called machine learning, though. if/then logic is really just an implementation detail of rules-based expert systems. I think these rules-based systems can be differentiated from normal code in that there is a lot of compact domain knowledge encoded for classifications or decisions.
Oxidation 4y ago
I imagine we'll be seeing a few cases setting that precedent in the next 10 years, and it's likely that the kind of "aha I said finger, a thumb isn't a finger, so I win" argument favoured by sovereign citizens, 5-year-olds and techbros who think they're smarter than everyone else will go over as well as it usually does.
- arlcode 4y ago
  At the height of the Smart Contract hype I used to bring arguments like these as an example why automating justice is not something you want to do. Generation after Generation of fresh "sovereign citizens, 5-year olds and techbros" is surprised that judges are in fact allowed to use life experience and common sense before making a decision. "Not guilty because of a technicality" is usually reserved for TV.

The entire post was about keeping AI claims in check. Whether you market your IF-THEN statements or rules-based expert systems as AIs is what matters.

jaredsohn 4y ago
But if those things are considered AI then why would it matters if you market them as AI?
- IncRnd 4y ago
  Why do you consider them to be AI? Random IF-THEN statements are not AI, or any program fragment would be AI. False advertisement is under the FTC's purvue. [1] When the Federal Trade Commission finds a case of fraud perpetrated on consumers, the agency files actions in federal district court for immediate and permanent orders to stop scams; prevent fraudsters from perpetrating scams in the future; freeze their assets; and get compensation for victims.When consumers see or hear an advertisement, whether it’s on the Internet, radio or television, or anywhere else, federal law says that ad must be truthful, not misleading, and, when appropriate, backed by scientific evidence. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/topics/truth-advertising https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/topics/truth-advertising
  - omarfarooq 4y ago
    So what's the FTC's definition of AI then?
    - chris_wot 4y ago
      The same as the advertiser's definition.
  - jaredsohn 4y ago
    Not sure why you're quoting the false advertisement text; it doesn't pertain to the argument of what is considered to be AI. At least rules-based expert systems have always been a part of artificial intelligence. They shouldn't be called machine learning, though. if/then logic is really just an implementation detail of rules-based expert systems. I think these rules-based systems can be differentiated from normal code in that there is a lot of compact domain knowledge encoded for classifications or decisions.

Oxidation 4y ago

I imagine we'll be seeing a few cases setting that precedent in the next 10 years, and it's likely that the kind of "aha I said finger, a thumb isn't a finger, so I win" argument favoured by sovereign citizens, 5-year-olds and techbros who think they're smarter than everyone else will go over as well as it usually does.

arlcode 4y ago
At the height of the Smart Contract hype I used to bring arguments like these as an example why automating justice is not something you want to do. Generation after Generation of fresh "sovereign citizens, 5-year olds and techbros" is surprised that judges are in fact allowed to use life experience and common sense before making a decision. "Not guilty because of a technicality" is usually reserved for TV.