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The US Justice system has been responding like this since at least the beginning of the War on Terror unfortunately. There are many lawsuits against the US gove

The US Justice system has been responding like this since at least the beginning of the War on Terror unfortunately. There are many lawsuits against the US government/CIA for their torture antics (leading to Congress writing their own report it!) that were dismissed as a matter of national security instead of dealing with the issue.

mikece 4y ago
All of which exposes a constitutional weakness in the system: there's no way for the States to check the power of the federal government (short of what happened in the 1860s).
- avmich 4y ago
  I wonder what would you propose to have such a check possible; how it can be done?
  - pjc50 4y ago
    I guess it would be making the United States more like the EU, where the states would either have vetoes or use Qualified Majority Voting. Wouldn't make any difference since the spying is part of a large defence establishment which is extremely popular.
- jackskell 4y ago
  Convention of States, perhaps. https://cosaction-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/public/pocket_guide_digital.pdf https://cosaction-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/public/pocket_guide_...
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > there's no way for the States to check the power of the federal government Literally a states’ convention clause built into Article V [1]. That lets states directly amend the Constitution. No Congress or Court required. (After that, we get into the grey area between law and power.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_Sta...
- ocdtrekkie 4y ago
  This isn't the issue. The reality is that actions taken covertly in the name of national security have wide bipartisan support. The states have the ability to change the Constitution (or send Congresspeople willing to change the laws), but pretty much everyone is perfectly fine with the way it is.
  - vintermann 4y ago
    You can't really consent to something if you don't even know what you're consenting to. This even goes for congresspeople, most of who are as in the dark (wilfully or not) as we are.
    - KptMarchewa 4y ago
      Then let's not pretend it's some kind of federal vs unitary issue.
- landemva 4y ago
  Lots of ways to get started! States can withhold sending of collected fuel tax to feds. States can remove exception that appears to be in State laws which allows IRS to file property lien without a court ruling. States can mint their own gold or silver backed money. States attorney general can start enforcing anti-monopoly laws against the medical cartels. Unfortunately for civil rights and privacy, Americans no longer care.

mikece 4y ago

All of which exposes a constitutional weakness in the system: there's no way for the States to check the power of the federal government (short of what happened in the 1860s).

avmich 4y ago
I wonder what would you propose to have such a check possible; how it can be done?
- pjc50 4y ago
  I guess it would be making the United States more like the EU, where the states would either have vetoes or use Qualified Majority Voting. Wouldn't make any difference since the spying is part of a large defence establishment which is extremely popular.
jackskell 4y ago
Convention of States, perhaps. https://cosaction-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/public/pocket_guide_digital.pdf https://cosaction-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/public/pocket_guide_...
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> there's no way for the States to check the power of the federal government Literally a states’ convention clause built into Article V [1]. That lets states directly amend the Constitution. No Congress or Court required. (After that, we get into the grey area between law and power.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_Sta...
ocdtrekkie 4y ago
This isn't the issue. The reality is that actions taken covertly in the name of national security have wide bipartisan support. The states have the ability to change the Constitution (or send Congresspeople willing to change the laws), but pretty much everyone is perfectly fine with the way it is.
- vintermann 4y ago
  You can't really consent to something if you don't even know what you're consenting to. This even goes for congresspeople, most of who are as in the dark (wilfully or not) as we are.
  - KptMarchewa 4y ago
    Then let's not pretend it's some kind of federal vs unitary issue.
landemva 4y ago
Lots of ways to get started! States can withhold sending of collected fuel tax to feds. States can remove exception that appears to be in State laws which allows IRS to file property lien without a court ruling. States can mint their own gold or silver backed money. States attorney general can start enforcing anti-monopoly laws against the medical cartels. Unfortunately for civil rights and privacy, Americans no longer care.