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W3C Beta Website

101 points by TangerineDream 4y ago

jjdeveloper 4y ago
Looking at the code on their site a saw this 'class="not-sidebar"' ... why describe what something is when you can describe what it isn't! :D
tiffanyh 4y ago
Information density. One thing I really dislike over the last 10+ years the web has brought is a huge reduction in information density. W3C old site was great at being dense on content/info. This site is not.
- breck 4y ago
  I’m bringing info density back like its the 1700’s. https://Scroll.pub https://Scroll.pub
- pancrufty 4y ago
  You can always press “cmd minus” to bring the old web back. Every press brings you back by a decade
- ketozhang 4y ago
  Why? What's your goal visiting the W3C homepage? It should be to learn who they are and what else the website provides. You're not there to read it's entire homepage. You're there to navigate. The pages that need to be dense, like the standards document, are.
- ravagat 4y ago
  +1, the deemphasis/degrading of average information density has been disappointing as user. Old site should be kept and used as their ideal demonstration for information-dense websites.
mhitza 4y ago
If the designer is reading this thread. My fellow human, please swap out the corporate memphis landing page image with something that's less overused in web design today.
- metadaemon 4y ago
  May be a facet of the page they have no control over and is a bit besides the point
- klabb3 4y ago
  For people who don’t know, Corporate Memphis (aka Alegria, Homoglobo) is a style of illustrations that features extrahuman attributes, such as non proportional bodies and non-existing skin colors. It has been credited to Facebook, and was explicitly made to be modular (as in designers are replaceable). Obviously beauty is subjective, but to me this style has strong connotations of cynical corporations, eerie feelings of minimalist facelessness, toxic positivity and an anxious alignment with current political winds, clear enough to minimize scrutiny but vague enough to be entirely unactionable. The mood words are growth hacking and user engagement.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    extrahuman attributes, such as non proportional bodies and non-existing skin colors In particular, huge bodies and tiny heads; it's the exact opposite of tiny bodies and huge heads, which also exists as a style, one that is rarer outside of Japan but definitely has an opposite connotation for me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibi_(style) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibi_(style)
  - georgeburdell 4y ago
    I thought this style of artwork was quite common in the 90s in the corporate world?
    - klabb3 4y ago
      I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a reincarnation, such is the cycle of trends after all, but I’m pretty sure this iteration is fairy distinct. I would be super curious if you have some examples though. Are you thinking like clipart?
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azemetre 4y ago
Back in the day there use to be a joke website called "every fucking bootstrap site" [1] where it would lambast the popular design zeitgeist of the time. I really wish websites would opt for more distinctive looks rather than the massive homogenization we see across the web. Everything looks the same when it doesn't have to. Things can be stylized while accounting for accessibility and usability. I don't know what to call this "feeling" but man is it depressing. We went from replicating magazines to making unique (and often clashing) home pages to trying to appeal to the most average of sensibilities where it all becomes counter intuitive. Probably not fair to pin this on w3c because this can easily apply to several hundred other sites. It really does make you question why bother having a time of designers, frontend developers, project managers, etc, etc to just come up with the exact same thing as everyone else. [1] https://www.dagusa.com/ https://www.dagusa.com/
- metadaemon 4y ago
  To be fair, I'm not sure you want a ton of uniqueness when it comes to documentation, I just want to be able to find what I'm looking for. For example, IBM and ESRI have what I would consider to be terrible documentation because of their unique take on structure.
- bastawhiz 4y ago
  I don't know, if there's ever a website that I want to be boring and readable, it's the W3C. I do not want an exciting or unique W3C site. I want it to be organized and designed to be as readable and easily navigable as possible. I do not want to guess how to use a menu or search for links. I want it to work like that thousands of other boring sites I've used before, because when I'm at the W3C, I'm not there to be inspired, I'm there to get some specific information. I don't want any nonsense between me and the spec I'm looking for.
- strangescript 4y ago
  It kind of depends on what your app is/does. It would be kind of hypocritical that we all settled on the same form factors for mobile devices, but we want the apps that we use on them to all be radically different looking or "artistic". Most modern UI kits look and feel the same because we have figured out what works and what doesn't. "why bother having a time of designers" -- on an individual basic application level, definitely. Just get a reasonable UI kit and save the money.
ElijahLynn 4y ago
Related: "W3C welcomes feedback on the beta of its new website" - https://beta.w3.org/news/2023/w3c-welcomes-feedback-on-the-beta-of-its-new-website/ https://beta.w3.org/news/2023/w3c-welcomes-feedback-on-the-b...
Gualdrapo 4y ago
Not sure why previous comments are so harsh towards its design. The very header copy says the W3C strives to help people build web based on several principles, and accessibility is listed first. And this design resembles that - a strong focus on accessibility and feeling familiar and usable for most people. I don't think doing a "less overused" design in there would keep that goal in focus.
- jchw 4y ago
  Truth be told, there is no reason to believe that what is popular in web design is particularly good for accessibility or the sensibilities of people. In fact, I'd argue "Corporate Memphis" in particular is something that became overused in spite of the fact that it offended sensibilities for many. That said, I think over-applying the "accessibility" viewpoint to bleed into things that really don't have to do with accessibility is an anti-pattern. I do not feel like KDE is less "accessible" due to the artwork and character mascots of Tyson Tan, even though it may not appeal to everyone's sensibilities. At the end of the day, I'd argue in favor of unique and memorable designs that feel like they have some personality rather than like something a committee carefully constructed to be as inoffensive as they could imagine.
andrewguy9 4y ago
I clicked hoping it was Warcraft 3 beta. Blizzard please give us Warcraft 4.
- spartanatreyu 4y ago
  After seeing the dumpster fire that was the Warcraft 3 remaster, and the awfully executed heel-face turn in World of Warcraft's most recent writing, do you really want to see Blizzard make a Warcraft 4?
albatross13 4y ago
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- vsviridov 4y ago
  Pandering... Pandering everywhere.
  - albatross13 4y ago
    Hey man, nothing wrong with wanting to ensure your racial demographic is explicitly represented alongside others that are being explicitly represented!
- raziel31 4y ago
  maybe because w3 stands for "WORLD WIDE Web Consortium"? there is not only USA in this world, it is funny that you are interfering with the rest of the world for your own social and political problems.
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    Asians only live in the USA? I know blaming everything on the US is trendy, but I'm not sure about this one...
  - IceHegel 4y ago
    I sense a projection.
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Waterluvian 4y ago
The responsiveness of this website is what I thought things were going to be like for all of the internet.
- synergy20 4y ago
  all it has is jquery3 + bootstrap4, still amazing.
  - azangru 4y ago
    Wait, what? Where are you seeing jquery and bootstrap? Their javascript payload is around 10kb, whereas jquery is 30kb minified gzipped.
synergy20 4y ago
What is used to build this site? some SSG, or SSR, or SPA, or a CMS like wordpress? check its html source showed jquery 3.5.1 and bootstrap 4. Also liked this newly updated page: https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/ and it's using jquery1.x still. now I start to wonder all those new SSG|SSR trend along with SPA, maybe bootstrap + jquery combination is good enough?
- sosborn 4y ago
  At the end of the day using Bootstrap and Jquery is no different from using HTML, CSS and ES6 JS. They are just tools and anything you build with them can be replicated using other means.
- mattweinberg 4y ago
  It's using Craft CMS as the CMS, though that doesn't imply a specific set of front-end technologies or build processes (Craft can use the Twig templating language, or be headless and power a static site generator).
tekbog 4y ago
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tannhaeuser 4y ago
So that's what W3C, Inc. is onto these days? I thought they were into standardizing HTML etc., meaning they follow a process to take HTML review drafts from the whatwg github repo ultimately to recommendation status these days? At least that's what their HTML WG charter says they do in Februars, but they didn't, when last year their review resulted in Steve Faulkner's major edit of the HTML spec to get rid of novel heading level interpretation and the so-called "outlining algorithm" - one of the original innovations that came with Ian Hickson's HTML5.
raziel31 4y ago
I liked the hover effect on the navbar buttons. It's simple, but it gives a kind of cartoonish effect.
jacooper 4y ago
Unlike most comments here, I think this is very well made!, its much better than the original site, easy to read, easy to understand and invitijg to learn more about W3C, rather than an old website telling to stay away. I think Debian should do the same, its much better now, but its no fedora website.
- superkuh 4y ago
  Yeah, I love it. It works and looks perfect in my browser with JS disabled and no web components or even css grid support. All the html and text really are in the page and not just requested later by some javascript application being executed. It's refreshing and looks a hell of a lot better than any JS sites do in my browser.
IceHegel 4y ago
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- samtp 4y ago
  I think your self-confidence needs a giant boost if you are a white male who is "concerned about being represented". Why don't you go and check the executive boards for the companies listed in the "Working with stakeholders of the Web" section to help soothe your fragile ego.
- azangru 4y ago
  > Unclear if that was the intention of the diagram or not. Of course it was; how could there be any doubt? Surely the designer, or the artist, knows full well what she puts in the picture. The name of the game these days is diversity and inclusion. White males are so passé :-)
VPenkov 4y ago
I like it. It's easy to be against change and difficult to get behind it. Maybe in attracting developers who criticize it, some will end up finding something educational. The homepage could be more useful, especially around the ways to contribute. But the main categories are right there in the first sentence of the first section, and the data structures makes sense. Good job!
- GordonS 4y ago
  I agree, it looks good! On mobile in particular, it looks refreshingly good and feels very functional.
pentagrama 4y ago
Nice readability and blazing fast to me. That's awesome. It reminded me of how good is the performance and design of the UK design system https://design-system.service.gov.uk/ https://design-system.service.gov.uk/ Hope that at some point they can hire an illustrator to make some custom illustrations with more personality.
- verelo 4y ago
  Only criticism i have is i ended up on a search form and after submitting to it the page reloaded and the results were below the fold. Otherwise yep, very fast and clean.
- ninkendo 4y ago
  For me the UK design system page was half cookie banner, half “get started” pop up (which afaict just lets you through to the page you’re already on when you tap it. What’s the point?) Hardly inspires confidence in this site as a shining example of simplicity and design…
  - warent 4y ago
    As someone who gets easily upset by bad websites, I actually really don't mind those banners. Why? Because it's extremely smooth and easy to scroll past them. If I tried to scroll and they followed me, and it was all laggy, then yes it would be pretty bad.
    - ninkendo 4y ago
      I couldn’t scroll past either of them. They both occupied fixed positions in the viewport, and I couldn’t see a single pixel of the rest of the site until I not only made a decision about cookies, but also tapped the “get started” button which allowed me to see the page I was already on. Edit: after trying the page again in a private tab, you’re right, you can scroll past it. But I had no idea that was the case when I first saw the site. Because the banners occupy the exact size of the viewport (I assume this is intentional) there is no indication that scrolling is even possible. You just have a huge set of banners taking up your whole screen. I stand by my statement that this is a terrible example of good design.
Berniek 4y ago
Well i am somewhat interested (cynical?) of W3C itself and this website does not at all detract from my opinion. I find the layout almost childish and "waffle centric ", the type of website you have when how it looks is more important than the message. (or you want to gloss over any deep consideration of the message?) I guess W3C is so broad in concept that it is very hard to be specific without turning users off at first visit.
taeric 4y ago
The menu is odd. I think I could grow to like it, but it has very harsh transitions for when I pick an option. And, since it is a bit of a navigation menu, odd that it gives no indication of "where I'm at." Similarly, before the site navigation, there is a language navigation. However, since it hides the currently selected language (that is, "where I'm at"), I did not actually know for sure that that would be the same page, just in another language, for those links. I'm also a little disappointed at how bloody nested all of the markup is. Though, I suppose that is my not being current on modern standards? The "nav", in particular, feels excessive at 500 lines of code. I get not wanting CSS wizardry, but I feel like a lot of the items that are in that code should be done with CSS. (Or, have we moved so far that it is accepted to have presentation in the main document nowadays?)
tiffanyh 4y ago
41 warnings. It’s ironic this landing page doesn’t pass W3C’s own HTML validator. https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fbeta.w3.org%2F https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fbeta.w3.org%2... Edit: corrected to stated “warnings”, not errors.
- edflsafoiewq 4y ago
  There is only one error > Error: An img element which has an alt attribute whose value is the empty string must not have a role attribute. The rest are info or warnings.
hendry 4y ago
Zooms in when I click menu on IOS Safari https://s.natalian.org/2023-02-28/menu.png https://s.natalian.org/2023-02-28/menu.png
- aprilnya 4y ago
  Works fine here
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ravagat 4y ago
I just remembered the recent change of hands regarding the director(s?). Makes sense why this is now for publishing

Looking at the code on their site a saw this 'class="not-sidebar"' ... why describe what something is when you can describe what it isn't! :D

tiffanyh 4y ago

Information density. One thing I really dislike over the last 10+ years the web has brought is a huge reduction in information density. W3C old site was great at being dense on content/info. This site is not.

breck 4y ago
I’m bringing info density back like its the 1700’s. https://Scroll.pub https://Scroll.pub
pancrufty 4y ago
You can always press “cmd minus” to bring the old web back. Every press brings you back by a decade
ketozhang 4y ago
Why? What's your goal visiting the W3C homepage? It should be to learn who they are and what else the website provides. You're not there to read it's entire homepage. You're there to navigate. The pages that need to be dense, like the standards document, are.
ravagat 4y ago
+1, the deemphasis/degrading of average information density has been disappointing as user. Old site should be kept and used as their ideal demonstration for information-dense websites.

mhitza 4y ago

If the designer is reading this thread. My fellow human, please swap out the corporate memphis landing page image with something that's less overused in web design today.

metadaemon 4y ago
May be a facet of the page they have no control over and is a bit besides the point
klabb3 4y ago
For people who don’t know, Corporate Memphis (aka Alegria, Homoglobo) is a style of illustrations that features extrahuman attributes, such as non proportional bodies and non-existing skin colors. It has been credited to Facebook, and was explicitly made to be modular (as in designers are replaceable). Obviously beauty is subjective, but to me this style has strong connotations of cynical corporations, eerie feelings of minimalist facelessness, toxic positivity and an anxious alignment with current political winds, clear enough to minimize scrutiny but vague enough to be entirely unactionable. The mood words are growth hacking and user engagement.
- userbinator 4y ago
  extrahuman attributes, such as non proportional bodies and non-existing skin colors In particular, huge bodies and tiny heads; it's the exact opposite of tiny bodies and huge heads, which also exists as a style, one that is rarer outside of Japan but definitely has an opposite connotation for me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibi_(style) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibi_(style)
- georgeburdell 4y ago
  I thought this style of artwork was quite common in the 90s in the corporate world?
  - klabb3 4y ago
    I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a reincarnation, such is the cycle of trends after all, but I’m pretty sure this iteration is fairy distinct. I would be super curious if you have some examples though. Are you thinking like clipart?

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azemetre 4y ago

Back in the day there use to be a joke website called "every fucking bootstrap site" [1] where it would lambast the popular design zeitgeist of the time. I really wish websites would opt for more distinctive looks rather than the massive homogenization we see across the web. Everything looks the same when it doesn't have to. Things can be stylized while accounting for accessibility and usability. I don't know what to call this "feeling" but man is it depressing. We went from replicating magazines to making unique (and often clashing) home pages to trying to appeal to the most average of sensibilities where it all becomes counter intuitive. Probably not fair to pin this on w3c because this can easily apply to several hundred other sites. It really does make you question why bother having a time of designers, frontend developers, project managers, etc, etc to just come up with the exact same thing as everyone else. [1] https://www.dagusa.com/ https://www.dagusa.com/

metadaemon 4y ago
To be fair, I'm not sure you want a ton of uniqueness when it comes to documentation, I just want to be able to find what I'm looking for. For example, IBM and ESRI have what I would consider to be terrible documentation because of their unique take on structure.
bastawhiz 4y ago
I don't know, if there's ever a website that I want to be boring and readable, it's the W3C. I do not want an exciting or unique W3C site. I want it to be organized and designed to be as readable and easily navigable as possible. I do not want to guess how to use a menu or search for links. I want it to work like that thousands of other boring sites I've used before, because when I'm at the W3C, I'm not there to be inspired, I'm there to get some specific information. I don't want any nonsense between me and the spec I'm looking for.
strangescript 4y ago
It kind of depends on what your app is/does. It would be kind of hypocritical that we all settled on the same form factors for mobile devices, but we want the apps that we use on them to all be radically different looking or "artistic". Most modern UI kits look and feel the same because we have figured out what works and what doesn't. "why bother having a time of designers" -- on an individual basic application level, definitely. Just get a reasonable UI kit and save the money.

ElijahLynn 4y ago

Related: "W3C welcomes feedback on the beta of its new website" - https://beta.w3.org/news/2023/w3c-welcomes-feedback-on-the-beta-of-its-new-website/ https://beta.w3.org/news/2023/w3c-welcomes-feedback-on-the-b...

Gualdrapo 4y ago

Not sure why previous comments are so harsh towards its design. The very header copy says the W3C strives to help people build web based on several principles, and accessibility is listed first. And this design resembles that - a strong focus on accessibility and feeling familiar and usable for most people. I don't think doing a "less overused" design in there would keep that goal in focus.

jchw 4y ago
Truth be told, there is no reason to believe that what is popular in web design is particularly good for accessibility or the sensibilities of people. In fact, I'd argue "Corporate Memphis" in particular is something that became overused in spite of the fact that it offended sensibilities for many. That said, I think over-applying the "accessibility" viewpoint to bleed into things that really don't have to do with accessibility is an anti-pattern. I do not feel like KDE is less "accessible" due to the artwork and character mascots of Tyson Tan, even though it may not appeal to everyone's sensibilities. At the end of the day, I'd argue in favor of unique and memorable designs that feel like they have some personality rather than like something a committee carefully constructed to be as inoffensive as they could imagine.

andrewguy9 4y ago

I clicked hoping it was Warcraft 3 beta. Blizzard please give us Warcraft 4.

spartanatreyu 4y ago
After seeing the dumpster fire that was the Warcraft 3 remaster, and the awfully executed heel-face turn in World of Warcraft's most recent writing, do you really want to see Blizzard make a Warcraft 4?

albatross13 4y ago

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vsviridov 4y ago
Pandering... Pandering everywhere.
- albatross13 4y ago
  Hey man, nothing wrong with wanting to ensure your racial demographic is explicitly represented alongside others that are being explicitly represented!
raziel31 4y ago
maybe because w3 stands for "WORLD WIDE Web Consortium"? there is not only USA in this world, it is funny that you are interfering with the rest of the world for your own social and political problems.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  Asians only live in the USA? I know blaming everything on the US is trendy, but I'm not sure about this one...
- IceHegel 4y ago
  I sense a projection.

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Waterluvian 4y ago

The responsiveness of this website is what I thought things were going to be like for all of the internet.

synergy20 4y ago
all it has is jquery3 + bootstrap4, still amazing.
- azangru 4y ago
  Wait, what? Where are you seeing jquery and bootstrap? Their javascript payload is around 10kb, whereas jquery is 30kb minified gzipped.

synergy20 4y ago

What is used to build this site? some SSG, or SSR, or SPA, or a CMS like wordpress? check its html source showed jquery 3.5.1 and bootstrap 4. Also liked this newly updated page: https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/ and it's using jquery1.x still. now I start to wonder all those new SSG|SSR trend along with SPA, maybe bootstrap + jquery combination is good enough?

sosborn 4y ago
At the end of the day using Bootstrap and Jquery is no different from using HTML, CSS and ES6 JS. They are just tools and anything you build with them can be replicated using other means.
mattweinberg 4y ago
It's using Craft CMS as the CMS, though that doesn't imply a specific set of front-end technologies or build processes (Craft can use the Twig templating language, or be headless and power a static site generator).

tekbog 4y ago

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tannhaeuser 4y ago

So that's what W3C, Inc. is onto these days? I thought they were into standardizing HTML etc., meaning they follow a process to take HTML review drafts from the whatwg github repo ultimately to recommendation status these days? At least that's what their HTML WG charter says they do in Februars, but they didn't, when last year their review resulted in Steve Faulkner's major edit of the HTML spec to get rid of novel heading level interpretation and the so-called "outlining algorithm" - one of the original innovations that came with Ian Hickson's HTML5.

raziel31 4y ago

I liked the hover effect on the navbar buttons. It's simple, but it gives a kind of cartoonish effect.

jacooper 4y ago

Unlike most comments here, I think this is very well made!, its much better than the original site, easy to read, easy to understand and invitijg to learn more about W3C, rather than an old website telling to stay away. I think Debian should do the same, its much better now, but its no fedora website.

superkuh 4y ago
Yeah, I love it. It works and looks perfect in my browser with JS disabled and no web components or even css grid support. All the html and text really are in the page and not just requested later by some javascript application being executed. It's refreshing and looks a hell of a lot better than any JS sites do in my browser.

IceHegel 4y ago

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samtp 4y ago
I think your self-confidence needs a giant boost if you are a white male who is "concerned about being represented". Why don't you go and check the executive boards for the companies listed in the "Working with stakeholders of the Web" section to help soothe your fragile ego.
azangru 4y ago
> Unclear if that was the intention of the diagram or not. Of course it was; how could there be any doubt? Surely the designer, or the artist, knows full well what she puts in the picture. The name of the game these days is diversity and inclusion. White males are so passé :-)

VPenkov 4y ago

I like it. It's easy to be against change and difficult to get behind it. Maybe in attracting developers who criticize it, some will end up finding something educational. The homepage could be more useful, especially around the ways to contribute. But the main categories are right there in the first sentence of the first section, and the data structures makes sense. Good job!

GordonS 4y ago
I agree, it looks good! On mobile in particular, it looks refreshingly good and feels very functional.

pentagrama 4y ago

Nice readability and blazing fast to me. That's awesome. It reminded me of how good is the performance and design of the UK design system https://design-system.service.gov.uk/ https://design-system.service.gov.uk/ Hope that at some point they can hire an illustrator to make some custom illustrations with more personality.

verelo 4y ago
Only criticism i have is i ended up on a search form and after submitting to it the page reloaded and the results were below the fold. Otherwise yep, very fast and clean.
ninkendo 4y ago
For me the UK design system page was half cookie banner, half “get started” pop up (which afaict just lets you through to the page you’re already on when you tap it. What’s the point?) Hardly inspires confidence in this site as a shining example of simplicity and design…
- warent 4y ago
  As someone who gets easily upset by bad websites, I actually really don't mind those banners. Why? Because it's extremely smooth and easy to scroll past them. If I tried to scroll and they followed me, and it was all laggy, then yes it would be pretty bad.
  - ninkendo 4y ago
    I couldn’t scroll past either of them. They both occupied fixed positions in the viewport, and I couldn’t see a single pixel of the rest of the site until I not only made a decision about cookies, but also tapped the “get started” button which allowed me to see the page I was already on. Edit: after trying the page again in a private tab, you’re right, you can scroll past it. But I had no idea that was the case when I first saw the site. Because the banners occupy the exact size of the viewport (I assume this is intentional) there is no indication that scrolling is even possible. You just have a huge set of banners taking up your whole screen. I stand by my statement that this is a terrible example of good design.

Berniek 4y ago

Well i am somewhat interested (cynical?) of W3C itself and this website does not at all detract from my opinion. I find the layout almost childish and "waffle centric ", the type of website you have when how it looks is more important than the message. (or you want to gloss over any deep consideration of the message?) I guess W3C is so broad in concept that it is very hard to be specific without turning users off at first visit.

taeric 4y ago

The menu is odd. I think I could grow to like it, but it has very harsh transitions for when I pick an option. And, since it is a bit of a navigation menu, odd that it gives no indication of "where I'm at." Similarly, before the site navigation, there is a language navigation. However, since it hides the currently selected language (that is, "where I'm at"), I did not actually know for sure that that would be the same page, just in another language, for those links. I'm also a little disappointed at how bloody nested all of the markup is. Though, I suppose that is my not being current on modern standards? The "nav", in particular, feels excessive at 500 lines of code. I get not wanting CSS wizardry, but I feel like a lot of the items that are in that code should be done with CSS. (Or, have we moved so far that it is accepted to have presentation in the main document nowadays?)

tiffanyh 4y ago

41 warnings. It’s ironic this landing page doesn’t pass W3C’s own HTML validator. https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fbeta.w3.org%2F https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fbeta.w3.org%2... Edit: corrected to stated “warnings”, not errors.

edflsafoiewq 4y ago
There is only one error > Error: An img element which has an alt attribute whose value is the empty string must not have a role attribute. The rest are info or warnings.

hendry 4y ago

Zooms in when I click menu on IOS Safari https://s.natalian.org/2023-02-28/menu.png https://s.natalian.org/2023-02-28/menu.png

aprilnya 4y ago
Works fine here

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ravagat 4y ago

I just remembered the recent change of hands regarding the director(s?). Makes sense why this is now for publishing