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Freud taught us an enduring lesson, pay attention to to the words we use, they tell us what we are thinking. > Hoodie is a DIY adversarial garment who wants t

Freud taught us an enduring lesson, pay attention to to the words we use, they tell us what we are thinking. > Hoodie is a DIY adversarial garment who wants to wear an adversarial garment? adversarial people. man, life is so much better when you don't approach it adversarially. most people are happy to see your face, and you can see it on theirs.

noirbot 4y ago
How many people who are happy to see your face are watching you on surveillance cameras? It's not like this hides your face from a human, and you can always put the hood down if you're at your friend's house or somewhere else you trust.
- fsckboy 4y ago
  you can't skulk through a crowd worrying about surveillance cameras without... worrying. I'm saying that selecting the word adversarial to describe this garment is not a coincidence, it's an attitude, and I'm linking it to the emotional life of people who would be interested in the garment. worrying is stressful anxiety that your friends (who can see your face) can't completely erase for you. adversarial essentially means "looking for anxiety". I'm saying step back, it's not the only way to live. downvoting btw is also adversarial so have at it, you'll feel better... not :)
  - LoganDark 4y ago
    > downvoting btw is also adversarial so have at it, you'll feel better... not :) lmao?
  - noirbot 4y ago
    Or it's something people enjoy as a thought experiment? I work adjacent to computer security industries and have always found the sort of cat-and-mouse of circumventing various detection and security mechanisms to be engaging and interesting. There's certainly people who are doing it out of anxiety, either intentionally or because of their own history or mental issues. For them, it may not be easy or possible to just decide to live another way. Either there actually is something they need to be adversarial towards or they're well aware that it's not necessarily rational, but it's not any easier for them to stop than it is for a depressed person to "just be happy".
    - fsckboy 4y ago
      well, then by all means you must be enjoying my contribution as a thought experiment also! :)
jehb 4y ago
> who wants to wear an adversarial garment? adversarial people. I disagree. Who wants to wear an adversarial garment? People stuck caught under the spying eyes of adversarial governments and adversarial surveillance capitalism companies.

noirbot 4y ago

How many people who are happy to see your face are watching you on surveillance cameras? It's not like this hides your face from a human, and you can always put the hood down if you're at your friend's house or somewhere else you trust.

fsckboy 4y ago
you can't skulk through a crowd worrying about surveillance cameras without... worrying. I'm saying that selecting the word adversarial to describe this garment is not a coincidence, it's an attitude, and I'm linking it to the emotional life of people who would be interested in the garment. worrying is stressful anxiety that your friends (who can see your face) can't completely erase for you. adversarial essentially means "looking for anxiety". I'm saying step back, it's not the only way to live. downvoting btw is also adversarial so have at it, you'll feel better... not :)
- LoganDark 4y ago
  > downvoting btw is also adversarial so have at it, you'll feel better... not :) lmao?
- noirbot 4y ago
  Or it's something people enjoy as a thought experiment? I work adjacent to computer security industries and have always found the sort of cat-and-mouse of circumventing various detection and security mechanisms to be engaging and interesting. There's certainly people who are doing it out of anxiety, either intentionally or because of their own history or mental issues. For them, it may not be easy or possible to just decide to live another way. Either there actually is something they need to be adversarial towards or they're well aware that it's not necessarily rational, but it's not any easier for them to stop than it is for a depressed person to "just be happy".
  - fsckboy 4y ago
    well, then by all means you must be enjoying my contribution as a thought experiment also! :)

jehb 4y ago

> who wants to wear an adversarial garment? adversarial people. I disagree. Who wants to wear an adversarial garment? People stuck caught under the spying eyes of adversarial governments and adversarial surveillance capitalism companies.