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Protest organizers should hand out these hoodies, or someone should sell them to protestors through some kind of pop-up shop ambassador program where an affilia

Protest organizers should hand out these hoodies, or someone should sell them to protestors through some kind of pop-up shop ambassador program where an affiliate at each protest sells the apparel on consignment.

ilyt 4y ago
Only really work at night tho.
- justinator 4y ago
  IR Cameras are used in daytime, too.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > IR Cameras are used in daytime, too. The documentation lists its limitations, which include daylight: > The Camera Shy Hoodie is not an end-all-be-all for hiding your identity. It’s good for one thing, blowing out the view of night vision (IR) cameras in low light environments. It’s not effective in sunlight, most indoor lighting, or against conventional cameras. In fact, you will draw attention to yourself if you wear this in a context in which the security cameras are actively monitored. In the view of an IR camera, it’ll look as if you’re flashing a light directly at the lens. In addition, the LEDs need to be a minimum distance from the camera to be effective, as the cone of light from them needs to be wide enough to overlap with the cameras view of the wearers head. In practice, this is about 12ft (~3m). The idea is designed to exploit limitations with the camera's auto-exposure, and I presume a requirement to do that is to strobe a light that outshines the ambient light by n times. That works at night because there's so little ambient light, during the day you'd have to outshine the sun (and the sun is really bright).
tablespoon 4y ago
> Protest organizers should hand out these hoodies, or someone should sell them to protestors... In that particular case, it wold make far more sense to hand out a cost-reduced version that people could wear over their own clothes. I'm thinking of something with the LEDs mounted in a plastic ring like these (https://www.glowuniverse.com/20-inch-glow-stick-necklaces-8-color-mix https://www.glowuniverse.com/20-inch-glow-stick-necklaces-8-...), with a battery box/controller, and maybe some kind of protest messaged taped to it.
- moremetadata 4y ago
  Some people bring their own masks [1] which work 24/7 in all conditions! For protests, the best form of flattery is to be imitated, so this website [2] and others, lets you pay your respects and flatter the police. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask [2] https://havengear.com/ https://havengear.com/
  - EntrePrescott 4y ago
    Depending on where you live, wearing a mask (as in: face covering, not the COVID masks) at a public protest or demonstration can be a punishable offense forbidden by law… and I'm not talking about autocratic states but many civilized and relatively liberal Western countries, cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law
    - bb88 4y ago
      > For example, The Georgia Supreme Court found the law constitutional on the grounds that the wearing of the mask was an act of intimidation and a threat of violence So this is not that.
      - moremetadata 4y ago
        Women wear masks ever day with their make up, and also documented with filters on social media. Bet the courts didnt think of masks in that context did they?
    - scarface74 4y ago
      [flagged]
      - EntrePrescott 4y ago
        > You’re putting the US (…) I don't see where you would get that from my comment, which didn't name any country. The point was that the wiki article I pointed to does list quite a number of countries, of which several do fall into the group of “liberal Western countries”. Nobody said that _all_ countries listed there do.
formerly_proven 4y ago
FYI check your local laws, this is almost certainly criminal in at least some places (e.g. in Germany it's illegal to "wear things which may prevent or interfere with identification of protestors" and to "carry items meant to interfere with identification", this clearly meets those criteria).
- mattigames 4y ago
  Quite dystopian of germany to target protesters this way, reminds me of the time they made some people wear a star for easy identification.
  - hezralig 4y ago
    With that being said, it is not illegal to attempt / to succeed at escaping a imprisonment as the will to be free is an unalienable human right under German law.
    - eru 4y ago
      Sources?
  - formerly_proven 4y ago
    German police usually has a bunch of people (and cars with pole-mounted cameras) running around with cameras filming everyone at regular protests; you'd think nothing can happen without being taped. Except of course it often goes <FOOTAGE MISSING> when it gets interesting, seems to be a technical issue. Just like bodycams suddenly failing to work. Oh well
    - concordDance 4y ago
      Quantify "often" please?
      - formerly_proven 4y ago
        The primary qualifier here is this isn't American police. Use of force, excessive use of force, and lethal use of force are much, much rarer here. Police kills about a dozen people per year. Not over a thousand. Though worryingly this number has risen a lot in the last couple years, it used to be more like half a dozen ten years ago. Regardless, when it happens, it's still a police force, so you still have esprit de corps, "blue wall of silence" and "DA doesn't feel like prosecuting people they work with day to day" effects, and evidence is quite frequently not gathered or "gets lost". So for example if there is excessive use of force at a protest it wouldn't be unusual for those recordings to be misplaced. Bodycams aren't universal yet, but they're always somehow turned off during excessive use of force. The latest example would be a 16yo refugee who was shot dead with an MP5 (i.e. not standard-issue-24/7-belt-carry for police, something you have to get from the car), all officers had bodycams, no recordings. Five officers were charged with various things (up to 2nd degree homicide) because a citizen made an audio recording of the police action (which is a felony btw.), revealing contradictory and false statements.
concordDance 4y ago
Looters will love these
landemva 4y ago
French yellow-vest protestors have been doing this for years. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/21/how-hi-vis-yellow-vest-became-symbol-of-protest-beyond-france-gilets-jaunes https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/21/how-hi-vis-yel...

ilyt 4y ago

Only really work at night tho.

justinator 4y ago
IR Cameras are used in daytime, too.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > IR Cameras are used in daytime, too. The documentation lists its limitations, which include daylight: > The Camera Shy Hoodie is not an end-all-be-all for hiding your identity. It’s good for one thing, blowing out the view of night vision (IR) cameras in low light environments. It’s not effective in sunlight, most indoor lighting, or against conventional cameras. In fact, you will draw attention to yourself if you wear this in a context in which the security cameras are actively monitored. In the view of an IR camera, it’ll look as if you’re flashing a light directly at the lens. In addition, the LEDs need to be a minimum distance from the camera to be effective, as the cone of light from them needs to be wide enough to overlap with the cameras view of the wearers head. In practice, this is about 12ft (~3m). The idea is designed to exploit limitations with the camera's auto-exposure, and I presume a requirement to do that is to strobe a light that outshines the ambient light by n times. That works at night because there's so little ambient light, during the day you'd have to outshine the sun (and the sun is really bright).

tablespoon 4y ago

> Protest organizers should hand out these hoodies, or someone should sell them to protestors... In that particular case, it wold make far more sense to hand out a cost-reduced version that people could wear over their own clothes. I'm thinking of something with the LEDs mounted in a plastic ring like these (https://www.glowuniverse.com/20-inch-glow-stick-necklaces-8-color-mix https://www.glowuniverse.com/20-inch-glow-stick-necklaces-8-...), with a battery box/controller, and maybe some kind of protest messaged taped to it.

moremetadata 4y ago
Some people bring their own masks [1] which work 24/7 in all conditions! For protests, the best form of flattery is to be imitated, so this website [2] and others, lets you pay your respects and flatter the police. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_mask [2] https://havengear.com/ https://havengear.com/
- EntrePrescott 4y ago
  Depending on where you live, wearing a mask (as in: face covering, not the COVID masks) at a public protest or demonstration can be a punishable offense forbidden by law… and I'm not talking about autocratic states but many civilized and relatively liberal Western countries, cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law
  - bb88 4y ago
    > For example, The Georgia Supreme Court found the law constitutional on the grounds that the wearing of the mask was an act of intimidation and a threat of violence So this is not that.
    - moremetadata 4y ago
      Women wear masks ever day with their make up, and also documented with filters on social media. Bet the courts didnt think of masks in that context did they?
  - scarface74 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - EntrePrescott 4y ago
      > You’re putting the US (…) I don't see where you would get that from my comment, which didn't name any country. The point was that the wiki article I pointed to does list quite a number of countries, of which several do fall into the group of “liberal Western countries”. Nobody said that _all_ countries listed there do.

formerly_proven 4y ago

FYI check your local laws, this is almost certainly criminal in at least some places (e.g. in Germany it's illegal to "wear things which may prevent or interfere with identification of protestors" and to "carry items meant to interfere with identification", this clearly meets those criteria).

mattigames 4y ago
Quite dystopian of germany to target protesters this way, reminds me of the time they made some people wear a star for easy identification.
- hezralig 4y ago
  With that being said, it is not illegal to attempt / to succeed at escaping a imprisonment as the will to be free is an unalienable human right under German law.
  - eru 4y ago
    Sources?
- formerly_proven 4y ago
  German police usually has a bunch of people (and cars with pole-mounted cameras) running around with cameras filming everyone at regular protests; you'd think nothing can happen without being taped. Except of course it often goes <FOOTAGE MISSING> when it gets interesting, seems to be a technical issue. Just like bodycams suddenly failing to work. Oh well
  - concordDance 4y ago
    Quantify "often" please?
    - formerly_proven 4y ago
      The primary qualifier here is this isn't American police. Use of force, excessive use of force, and lethal use of force are much, much rarer here. Police kills about a dozen people per year. Not over a thousand. Though worryingly this number has risen a lot in the last couple years, it used to be more like half a dozen ten years ago. Regardless, when it happens, it's still a police force, so you still have esprit de corps, "blue wall of silence" and "DA doesn't feel like prosecuting people they work with day to day" effects, and evidence is quite frequently not gathered or "gets lost". So for example if there is excessive use of force at a protest it wouldn't be unusual for those recordings to be misplaced. Bodycams aren't universal yet, but they're always somehow turned off during excessive use of force. The latest example would be a 16yo refugee who was shot dead with an MP5 (i.e. not standard-issue-24/7-belt-carry for police, something you have to get from the car), all officers had bodycams, no recordings. Five officers were charged with various things (up to 2nd degree homicide) because a citizen made an audio recording of the police action (which is a felony btw.), revealing contradictory and false statements.

concordDance 4y ago

Looters will love these

landemva 4y ago

French yellow-vest protestors have been doing this for years. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/21/how-hi-vis-yellow-vest-became-symbol-of-protest-beyond-france-gilets-jaunes https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/21/how-hi-vis-yel...