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I would normally love to dump on Youtube but not in this case in my opinion. YT are in no way obligated to provide emergency services and nowhere do they agree

I would normally love to dump on Youtube but not in this case in my opinion. YT are in no way obligated to provide emergency services and nowhere do they agree to this expectation. In my opinion someones life should not depend on the internet availability. Rather people should ensure they have a reliable phone to call emergency services. A dispatcher may be able to talk the person through some rudimentary CPR steps. I would encourage everyone to get CPR certified as it can save lives in your home, with your friends and at work. Especially those with children should get and remain CPR certified. Also consider buying an AED [1] for your home and encourage your workplace to install AED's on each floor and get at least 10% of the staff CPR certified. AED's are super easy to use and most models will literally talk you through how to use them. There are usually discounts for training larger numbers of people and the trainers will come on-site with everything they need. The safety management teams should also find out if having {n} percent of people CPR certified will lower their corporate insurance. Some CPR training companies can also do advanced CPR training including one or two days of on-site advanced didactic training. The knowledge provided by these courses can save lives especially when emergency services are delayed or otherwise busy with others and this knowledge can be used anywhere. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillat...

ruined 4y ago
if youtube doesn't want to be the primary platform for emergency video instruction, then they shouldn't be the dominant platform for video instruction
- DrThunder 4y ago
  If you won't run the business the way I want you to run it then don't have a business. Sounds like a great plan to create competition and better overall products....you're suggesting we incentivize bad business.
dheera 4y ago
I'm alive because someone used an AED on me and I now have an implanted ICD. I'm thinking of carrying an AED around in my car for others just in case. What's a good budget one to buy?
- LinuxBender 4y ago
  I'm thinking of carrying an AED around in my car for others just in case. Check with a lawyer in your region/state before doing this. Good Samaritan laws are not universal worded the same and my not cover things like using your AED or providing medication to others. Most of these laws would cover performing basic CPR. It's awful, I know. If you have someone with you have them call the emergency number for your region and note the time you started CPR. If you are trained in your workplace to use AED's and you are part of a workplace safety team then you would be advised if you are protected to use the AED on coworkers. What's a good budget one to buy? For personal AED's I would read all the negative reviews on Amazon as makes and models come and go. Mine isn't even sold any more so it's probably time to replace it.
ghusto 4y ago
I understand -- and somewhat agree with -- the sentiment, but I think they do have an obligation. I think you lose that card when you gain monopoly status. If I've positioned myself to be the single place people know to search for such things (through extremely dodgey business practices, no less), then boo-hoo, I have responsibilities too now.
mrtksn 4y ago
I don't think this is about obligations. This kind of stuff is about decency, it's about knowing the impact of your product on people and try to do the right thing without a fear of fine or jail time. It's like choosing between having or not having addictive features for kids even if the law doesn't say anything about it.
DrThunder 4y ago
I agree... it's a bit ridiculous to put the burden of medical emergency services on a private tech company. If this is going to be a thing then that burden should be on the medical system of that country. They can pay to host emergency videos that are easily accessible. Also, I don't want FAANG companies anywhere near medical health practice. It's bad enough with their stupid disclaimers on COVID and vaccine matters. It's not their place to be dictating these sorts of things.
chimprich 4y ago
> YT are in no way obligated to provide emergency services. They might not be legally obligated, but it would be responsible to handle this case better. Getting CPR certified is a good idea but if you get into a situation where you need to give CPR and you don't know or you panic and forget everything you've been taught then a YouTube video is likely better than nothing. You can't retrospectively get trained at that point. Calling emergency services is preferable, but people panic and don't think clearly, emergency services are sometimes overloaded or not available, someone might have a device with internet but no phone capabilities... and no matter how or why you end up looking for CPR advice on YouTube it's better to show the video without adverts.
- dheera 4y ago
  I agree, YT isn't obligated, but they could learn from this unforseeable incident, and in the future flag all emergency tutorial videos to be played ad-free.
yowzadave 4y ago
> YT are in no way obligated to provide emergency services and nowhere do they agree to this expectation. > I would encourage everyone to get CPR certified as it can save lives in your home, with your friends and at work. It's curious to me that on one hand, you're very willing to cut YT slack and say that we should only criticize them for acting in explicitly illegal ways...yet you are willing to encourage individuals to take the responsibility to save the lives of the people around them. Why shouldn't we also encourage YT as an organization to take steps that could conceivably save lives? It would likely be a nominal effort given Google's scale, and could have a huge impact. Not to discount the value in individuals getting CPR-certified! I just think an action at YT's scale has the potential to be a large lever--relatively minimal effort for a potentially large impact.
washadjeffmad 4y ago
Wasn't YouTube acting as an authority on what was truthful or harmful content on their platforms and inserting warnings or (de)monetizing accordingly in the very recent past? If they're evaluating at least some content for either accuracy, compliance, or veracity, then the implication is that content that isn't warned against is "trusted". I'd argue that if YoutTube is going to inject opinions on trustworthiness of information, they should make it clear what content they're evaluating and what they're not so people don't make the mistake of assuming YouTube is a reliable source of information.
- SllX 4y ago
  This is a good argument for them to stop issuing those warnings. It’s in their wheelhouse to serve the videos uploaded within the limitations of the law, but they are not a good authority on which of those videos is authoritative or correct.
- gruez 4y ago
  I find this dicotomy absurd. Just because you're removing/editorializing some of the most outrageous false/harmful content out there, must mean that whatever remains must be true?
rdedev 4y ago
There are many places where emergency services are non existent but people have access to youtube. So youtube might be the only option available to them.

ruined 4y ago

if youtube doesn't want to be the primary platform for emergency video instruction, then they shouldn't be the dominant platform for video instruction

DrThunder 4y ago
If you won't run the business the way I want you to run it then don't have a business. Sounds like a great plan to create competition and better overall products....you're suggesting we incentivize bad business.

dheera 4y ago

I'm alive because someone used an AED on me and I now have an implanted ICD. I'm thinking of carrying an AED around in my car for others just in case. What's a good budget one to buy?

LinuxBender 4y ago
I'm thinking of carrying an AED around in my car for others just in case. Check with a lawyer in your region/state before doing this. Good Samaritan laws are not universal worded the same and my not cover things like using your AED or providing medication to others. Most of these laws would cover performing basic CPR. It's awful, I know. If you have someone with you have them call the emergency number for your region and note the time you started CPR. If you are trained in your workplace to use AED's and you are part of a workplace safety team then you would be advised if you are protected to use the AED on coworkers. What's a good budget one to buy? For personal AED's I would read all the negative reviews on Amazon as makes and models come and go. Mine isn't even sold any more so it's probably time to replace it.

ghusto 4y ago

I understand -- and somewhat agree with -- the sentiment, but I think they do have an obligation. I think you lose that card when you gain monopoly status. If I've positioned myself to be the single place people know to search for such things (through extremely dodgey business practices, no less), then boo-hoo, I have responsibilities too now.

mrtksn 4y ago

I don't think this is about obligations. This kind of stuff is about decency, it's about knowing the impact of your product on people and try to do the right thing without a fear of fine or jail time. It's like choosing between having or not having addictive features for kids even if the law doesn't say anything about it.

DrThunder 4y ago

I agree... it's a bit ridiculous to put the burden of medical emergency services on a private tech company. If this is going to be a thing then that burden should be on the medical system of that country. They can pay to host emergency videos that are easily accessible. Also, I don't want FAANG companies anywhere near medical health practice. It's bad enough with their stupid disclaimers on COVID and vaccine matters. It's not their place to be dictating these sorts of things.

chimprich 4y ago

> YT are in no way obligated to provide emergency services. They might not be legally obligated, but it would be responsible to handle this case better. Getting CPR certified is a good idea but if you get into a situation where you need to give CPR and you don't know or you panic and forget everything you've been taught then a YouTube video is likely better than nothing. You can't retrospectively get trained at that point. Calling emergency services is preferable, but people panic and don't think clearly, emergency services are sometimes overloaded or not available, someone might have a device with internet but no phone capabilities... and no matter how or why you end up looking for CPR advice on YouTube it's better to show the video without adverts.

dheera 4y ago
I agree, YT isn't obligated, but they could learn from this unforseeable incident, and in the future flag all emergency tutorial videos to be played ad-free.

yowzadave 4y ago

> YT are in no way obligated to provide emergency services and nowhere do they agree to this expectation. > I would encourage everyone to get CPR certified as it can save lives in your home, with your friends and at work. It's curious to me that on one hand, you're very willing to cut YT slack and say that we should only criticize them for acting in explicitly illegal ways...yet you are willing to encourage individuals to take the responsibility to save the lives of the people around them. Why shouldn't we also encourage YT as an organization to take steps that could conceivably save lives? It would likely be a nominal effort given Google's scale, and could have a huge impact. Not to discount the value in individuals getting CPR-certified! I just think an action at YT's scale has the potential to be a large lever--relatively minimal effort for a potentially large impact.

washadjeffmad 4y ago

Wasn't YouTube acting as an authority on what was truthful or harmful content on their platforms and inserting warnings or (de)monetizing accordingly in the very recent past? If they're evaluating at least some content for either accuracy, compliance, or veracity, then the implication is that content that isn't warned against is "trusted". I'd argue that if YoutTube is going to inject opinions on trustworthiness of information, they should make it clear what content they're evaluating and what they're not so people don't make the mistake of assuming YouTube is a reliable source of information.

SllX 4y ago
This is a good argument for them to stop issuing those warnings. It’s in their wheelhouse to serve the videos uploaded within the limitations of the law, but they are not a good authority on which of those videos is authoritative or correct.
gruez 4y ago
I find this dicotomy absurd. Just because you're removing/editorializing some of the most outrageous false/harmful content out there, must mean that whatever remains must be true?

rdedev 4y ago

There are many places where emergency services are non existent but people have access to youtube. So youtube might be the only option available to them.