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It's not exactly Youtube's use case of being used in medical emergency situations. We have established other procedures for that.

by siva7 4y ago

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
> We have established other procedures for that. Like what? Call 112/911/999.. and then what? Car drivers here have to pass a first aid course, but that could have been decades ago. Except for waiting 10+ minutes for an ambulance, what do you expect people around the suffocating/dying/bleeding person to do? Yes, youtube wasn't made for that, neither were phones made for watching videos, but since everyone has a phone and phones can show videos, and videos can show the "first aid with X" video, people will use them for just that.
- zdragnar 4y ago
  911 etc will walk you through exactly what to do. Youtube is also not the only source of video information on the internet. Going to a site/app that rolls ads before videos should never be your first choice in an emergency situation.
  - rg2004 4y ago
    youtube is included in the "etc"
    - zdragnar 4y ago
      Unlike youtube, 911 is an emergency service. I used `etc` to describe other phone numbers that might be more appropriate for your country (999, for example).
  - xeromal 4y ago
    Some people benefit from visual instruction.
  - chimprich 4y ago
    > 911 etc will walk you through exactly what to do. Assuming you can get connected. Youtube may well be more available depending on your location. > Going to a site/app that rolls ads before videos should never be your first choice in an emergency situation. People often panic in emergency situations and complex thinking goes out of the window. I don't blame anyone for needing to know how to do something quickly and reaching for the tool they use most regularly.
- notatoad 4y ago
  yes, call your emergency services number, and they will instruct you on how to perform CPR if necessary and if you're willing. they'll also in many cases tell you not to do that, because performing unnecessary CPR has risks too, and just because you watched a youtube video on how to do chest compressions it doesn't mean the person in front of you needs chest compressions.
  - Ao7bei3s 4y ago
    For the US, requiring a first aid course at all would be a good start. To get any drivers license in Germany, you have to get first aid training. It is an ~8-hour, in-person class. It teaches the law (failure to render help is a criminal offense, as it should be), and a specific workflow. It does not start with calling emergency services; that's step 3). It does include checking vitals and when to do what. Every single student gets hands-on experience doing the stable lateral position, helmet removal an CPR (chest compression and mouth to mouth resuscitation).
    - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
      > To get any drivers license in Germany, you have to get first aid training. Same in slovenia... but do you ever have to renew it? Or do you pass it at 18, and then forget everything in the next 10, 20, 30 years?
      - Ao7bei3s 4y ago
        No, unfortunately. In Germany, first aid training for the regular drivers license does not expire. I would welcome mandatory refreshers every 5 years. Not just because people forget, but also because the best practices (legal and medical) can change over time and people should be kept up to date. In California, DMV requires renewing the drivers license every 5 years, which requires a simple vision test and a knowledge test about the rules of the road. The knowledge test can now be substituted by a ~90 minute at home online training (short videos and quizzes). I think that would be a great model for first aid refreshers as well. (On the other hand, to be fair, the mandatory trainings are mostly from an era where emergency services weren't always instantly reachable by anyone. And there isn't _really_ a reason why the drivers license in particular should require first aid training; accidents can happen anywhere.)
- Ralfp 4y ago
  Here if you call 112 dispatcher will help you out and tell you how to do CPR.
  - jabroni_salad 4y ago
    from the article (google translated): >Oude Vrielink ran with his neighbor, called 112 and immediately wanted to start CPR. > Because he had no experience with that, he searched for an explanation video on YouTube. There is a serious gap in this storyline that needs to be addressed. Why was he left to his own devices after having made the call?
- jalk 4y ago
  Since you call 911 anyway (hopefully) the person there is very likely trained in guiding you through the CPR / ventilation procedure - and will also be able to help you determine if you need to do chest compressions at all. I.e. the routine of "Check responsiveness, check pulse, check breathing (perhaps in an other order)
  - ta1243 4y ago
    Check Pulse isn't a thing on any first aid course I've done in the last 10 years. Danger, Response, Airway, Breathing, then start pumping if they aren't breathing.
- js8 4y ago
  You can also install Red Cross First Aid application on your phone. (I am using Czech one so no specific recommendation.) I recommend doing it although I never had to use it.
monkeynotes 4y ago
Yeah, this is a dumb slippery slope. If you want to depend on Youtube for saving lives, pay for premium.
- Someone1234 4y ago
  A slippery slope towards what? Doing morally right things and making the world a better place? What next, the Heimlich Maneuver, dressing a wound, signs of heat stroke/treatment, etc.
  - Robotbeat 4y ago
    The slippery slope is punishing YouTube for this, IMHO. As soon as you require qualifications to help, you’ve now effectively outlawed good samaritans. I can see YouTube’s lawyers deciding to ban first aid advice on their platform if lawyers or regulators get involved (or even if the PR situation gets out of control). And this isn’t some absurd hypothetical. At my work, they’ve gotten rid of all first aid kits in the buildings. You’re supposed to go to the clinic if you get hurt because they want to make sure the incident can have the correct paperwork done. This isn’t even a for-profit company that I work for, this isn’t to maximize profits or anything. It’s bureaucracy run amok, in the name of worker’s comp or OSHA safety or liability, the situation was made objectively less safe. So don’t punish YouTube for this. Outrage at YouTube for this is going to make the problem 10x worse by cutting off first aid instruction on YouTube, and that’s not an exaggeration. Not every problem can be solved by drumming up outrage.
    - Someone1234 4y ago
      > The slippery slope is punishing YouTube for this, IMHO. We are criticizing YT. Nobody is proposing "punishment." > So don’t punish YouTube for this. Wasn't suggested. Seems like you're using this as a jumping off point to discuss other, largely unrelated, things. You're also using the term "outrage" in a way that makes me think it is a trigger word for some kind of in-crowd.
      - 4y ago
jackmott42 4y ago
It is amazing how many people spend most of their mental energy figuring out some way to defend the all powerful corporations. If as much mental energy were spent figuring out how to make the world better instead, then probably youtube could still make billions of dollars and figure out how to not delay CPR videos at the same time.
- BiteCode_dev 4y ago
  No, we don't defend corporation, we hope people don't spread their energy on a 1000 useless outrages. Attack the corporations, but focus your efforts. Attacks are currently used to get many emotional responses and make people will engaged, but they don't make any body act or learn. This is a waste. Choose one topic, like "Apple use slave labors" or "Google spy on everyone", and keep at it for a few years. The rest is just distraction and energy diffusion.
- deltree7 4y ago
  It's amazing how many people are clueless about Math/Economics and the importance of profit generation that feed into next generation of innovation/employment.
  - jamiek88 4y ago
    Google profit 2022 $233 BILLION
    - SllX 4y ago
      Revenue != Profit. The figure you want is Net Income on page 30 of this publicly accessible document from the SEC’s website: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1652044/000165204423000016/goog-20221231.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1652044/000165204423... $59,972M (~$60B). Still a nice sum of money, but it doesn’t need exaggeration nor misrepresentation.
      - deltree7 4y ago
        Google's Market Cap was around $1.4T last year. A $1.4T should generate at least 2*(10 Year Treasury Yield) or 8% or $110 Billion in profit. Else, shareholders can simply buy 10-Year-T to earn risk-free profit. So Google isn't generating enough profits at the current economic conditions.
AvAurora 4y ago
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ianzakalwe 4y ago
Other procedures for single purpose use case often end up being inefficient, ineffective and expensive to maintain. Relying on existing infrastructure makes sense.

It's not exactly Youtube's use case of being used in medical emergency situations. We have established other procedures for that.

by siva7 4y ago

It's not exactly Youtube's use case of being used in medical emergency situations. We have established other procedures for that.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

> We have established other procedures for that. Like what? Call 112/911/999.. and then what? Car drivers here have to pass a first aid course, but that could have been decades ago. Except for waiting 10+ minutes for an ambulance, what do you expect people around the suffocating/dying/bleeding person to do? Yes, youtube wasn't made for that, neither were phones made for watching videos, but since everyone has a phone and phones can show videos, and videos can show the "first aid with X" video, people will use them for just that.

zdragnar 4y ago
911 etc will walk you through exactly what to do. Youtube is also not the only source of video information on the internet. Going to a site/app that rolls ads before videos should never be your first choice in an emergency situation.
- rg2004 4y ago
  youtube is included in the "etc"
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    Unlike youtube, 911 is an emergency service. I used `etc` to describe other phone numbers that might be more appropriate for your country (999, for example).
- xeromal 4y ago
  Some people benefit from visual instruction.
- chimprich 4y ago
  > 911 etc will walk you through exactly what to do. Assuming you can get connected. Youtube may well be more available depending on your location. > Going to a site/app that rolls ads before videos should never be your first choice in an emergency situation. People often panic in emergency situations and complex thinking goes out of the window. I don't blame anyone for needing to know how to do something quickly and reaching for the tool they use most regularly.
notatoad 4y ago
yes, call your emergency services number, and they will instruct you on how to perform CPR if necessary and if you're willing. they'll also in many cases tell you not to do that, because performing unnecessary CPR has risks too, and just because you watched a youtube video on how to do chest compressions it doesn't mean the person in front of you needs chest compressions.
- Ao7bei3s 4y ago
  For the US, requiring a first aid course at all would be a good start. To get any drivers license in Germany, you have to get first aid training. It is an ~8-hour, in-person class. It teaches the law (failure to render help is a criminal offense, as it should be), and a specific workflow. It does not start with calling emergency services; that's step 3). It does include checking vitals and when to do what. Every single student gets hands-on experience doing the stable lateral position, helmet removal an CPR (chest compression and mouth to mouth resuscitation).
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    > To get any drivers license in Germany, you have to get first aid training. Same in slovenia... but do you ever have to renew it? Or do you pass it at 18, and then forget everything in the next 10, 20, 30 years?
    - Ao7bei3s 4y ago
      No, unfortunately. In Germany, first aid training for the regular drivers license does not expire. I would welcome mandatory refreshers every 5 years. Not just because people forget, but also because the best practices (legal and medical) can change over time and people should be kept up to date. In California, DMV requires renewing the drivers license every 5 years, which requires a simple vision test and a knowledge test about the rules of the road. The knowledge test can now be substituted by a ~90 minute at home online training (short videos and quizzes). I think that would be a great model for first aid refreshers as well. (On the other hand, to be fair, the mandatory trainings are mostly from an era where emergency services weren't always instantly reachable by anyone. And there isn't _really_ a reason why the drivers license in particular should require first aid training; accidents can happen anywhere.)
Ralfp 4y ago
Here if you call 112 dispatcher will help you out and tell you how to do CPR.
- jabroni_salad 4y ago
  from the article (google translated): >Oude Vrielink ran with his neighbor, called 112 and immediately wanted to start CPR. > Because he had no experience with that, he searched for an explanation video on YouTube. There is a serious gap in this storyline that needs to be addressed. Why was he left to his own devices after having made the call?
jalk 4y ago
Since you call 911 anyway (hopefully) the person there is very likely trained in guiding you through the CPR / ventilation procedure - and will also be able to help you determine if you need to do chest compressions at all. I.e. the routine of "Check responsiveness, check pulse, check breathing (perhaps in an other order)
- ta1243 4y ago
  Check Pulse isn't a thing on any first aid course I've done in the last 10 years. Danger, Response, Airway, Breathing, then start pumping if they aren't breathing.
js8 4y ago
You can also install Red Cross First Aid application on your phone. (I am using Czech one so no specific recommendation.) I recommend doing it although I never had to use it.

monkeynotes 4y ago

Yeah, this is a dumb slippery slope. If you want to depend on Youtube for saving lives, pay for premium.

Someone1234 4y ago
A slippery slope towards what? Doing morally right things and making the world a better place? What next, the Heimlich Maneuver, dressing a wound, signs of heat stroke/treatment, etc.
- Robotbeat 4y ago
  The slippery slope is punishing YouTube for this, IMHO. As soon as you require qualifications to help, you’ve now effectively outlawed good samaritans. I can see YouTube’s lawyers deciding to ban first aid advice on their platform if lawyers or regulators get involved (or even if the PR situation gets out of control). And this isn’t some absurd hypothetical. At my work, they’ve gotten rid of all first aid kits in the buildings. You’re supposed to go to the clinic if you get hurt because they want to make sure the incident can have the correct paperwork done. This isn’t even a for-profit company that I work for, this isn’t to maximize profits or anything. It’s bureaucracy run amok, in the name of worker’s comp or OSHA safety or liability, the situation was made objectively less safe. So don’t punish YouTube for this. Outrage at YouTube for this is going to make the problem 10x worse by cutting off first aid instruction on YouTube, and that’s not an exaggeration. Not every problem can be solved by drumming up outrage.
  - Someone1234 4y ago
    > The slippery slope is punishing YouTube for this, IMHO. We are criticizing YT. Nobody is proposing "punishment." > So don’t punish YouTube for this. Wasn't suggested. Seems like you're using this as a jumping off point to discuss other, largely unrelated, things. You're also using the term "outrage" in a way that makes me think it is a trigger word for some kind of in-crowd.
    - 4y ago

jackmott42 4y ago

It is amazing how many people spend most of their mental energy figuring out some way to defend the all powerful corporations. If as much mental energy were spent figuring out how to make the world better instead, then probably youtube could still make billions of dollars and figure out how to not delay CPR videos at the same time.

BiteCode_dev 4y ago
No, we don't defend corporation, we hope people don't spread their energy on a 1000 useless outrages. Attack the corporations, but focus your efforts. Attacks are currently used to get many emotional responses and make people will engaged, but they don't make any body act or learn. This is a waste. Choose one topic, like "Apple use slave labors" or "Google spy on everyone", and keep at it for a few years. The rest is just distraction and energy diffusion.
deltree7 4y ago
It's amazing how many people are clueless about Math/Economics and the importance of profit generation that feed into next generation of innovation/employment.
- jamiek88 4y ago
  Google profit 2022 $233 BILLION
  - SllX 4y ago
    Revenue != Profit. The figure you want is Net Income on page 30 of this publicly accessible document from the SEC’s website: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1652044/000165204423000016/goog-20221231.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1652044/000165204423... $59,972M (~$60B). Still a nice sum of money, but it doesn’t need exaggeration nor misrepresentation.
    - deltree7 4y ago
      Google's Market Cap was around $1.4T last year. A $1.4T should generate at least 2*(10 Year Treasury Yield) or 8% or $110 Billion in profit. Else, shareholders can simply buy 10-Year-T to earn risk-free profit. So Google isn't generating enough profits at the current economic conditions.

AvAurora 4y ago

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ianzakalwe 4y ago

Other procedures for single purpose use case often end up being inefficient, ineffective and expensive to maintain. Relying on existing infrastructure makes sense.