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I mean, Israels leadership have literally said once to drown all palestinians in the sea would be a good idea. There are always two sides minimum...

rcme 4y ago
That seems to reinforce the idea that Israel should be worried about Iran. "Iran said they want to destroy Israel. Israel should be worried." To which you reply: "Well, there are two sides. Israel said they want to drown Palestine." So now let's ask a follow up question: Israel said they want to drown Palestine, should Palestine worry about Israel?
- brettermeier 4y ago
  Sure, if this continues, both sides should be concerned. I just wanted to point out that I don't believe that one side is the lone aggressor and the other side is completely innocent.
edanm 4y ago
Firstly, Palestine is not Iran. Secondly, saying "Israel's leadership" said they want to drown Palestinians is a pretty ridiculous claim. Who said it exactly? When? Are they currently Israel's leadership? Cause Israel is a democracy with many officials. Without something more specific, even if this is a real thing, it's like pointing to US congresspeople from the 1950s saying "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" and using that to "prove" that Obama is actually racist. Whereas Iranian leadership is a dictatorship and the same people claiming they would like to kill all Israelis are the people in power now.
- brettermeier 4y ago
  It was Lieberman, one source: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/02/israeli-and-palestinian-textbooks-researchers-have-conducted-a-comprehensive-study-that-reveals-that-both-sides-are-guilty-of-distorting-the-truth-in-the-classroom.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/02/israeli-and-pale... And there are debates about the state of Israels democracy: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/democracy-means-judicial-autonomy-german-envoy-says-israel-overhaul-2023-02-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/democracy-means-ju...
  - edanm 4y ago
    I want to be clear that I'm not defending Lieberman, I hate him and think statements like his are horrible. That said, you're leaving out context that make clear this is different. Maybe the biggest difference is - he didn't suggest drowning all Palestinians, unlike the statements calling to "eradicate Israel". He specifically said it's better to drown Palestinian prisoners in the sea rather than release them (as part of a security deal, I believe.) (Which is still a despicable thing to say, don't get me wrong, but a very different thing nonetheless) Also, the headline from the article that talks about this statement is "Lieberman Blasted for Suggesting Drowning Palestinian Prisoners". His sentiment is far too widespread, but statements like those are still not palatable. (Though to be fair, the situation today is probably worse.) > And there are debates about the state of Israels democracy Yeah things are not looking super rosy, but so far everything is speculation. There were also worries about the US's democracy, worries about a potential constitutional crisis, etc. I think it's safe to still call the US a democracy.
Fatnino 4y ago
I've always heard Palestinians (hamas, PLO) calling for all the Israelis to be pushed into the sea and drowned. Interesting how there is very little discomfit about that from non Israelis.
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rcme 4y ago

That seems to reinforce the idea that Israel should be worried about Iran. "Iran said they want to destroy Israel. Israel should be worried." To which you reply: "Well, there are two sides. Israel said they want to drown Palestine." So now let's ask a follow up question: Israel said they want to drown Palestine, should Palestine worry about Israel?

brettermeier 4y ago
Sure, if this continues, both sides should be concerned. I just wanted to point out that I don't believe that one side is the lone aggressor and the other side is completely innocent.

edanm 4y ago

Firstly, Palestine is not Iran. Secondly, saying "Israel's leadership" said they want to drown Palestinians is a pretty ridiculous claim. Who said it exactly? When? Are they currently Israel's leadership? Cause Israel is a democracy with many officials. Without something more specific, even if this is a real thing, it's like pointing to US congresspeople from the 1950s saying "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" and using that to "prove" that Obama is actually racist. Whereas Iranian leadership is a dictatorship and the same people claiming they would like to kill all Israelis are the people in power now.

brettermeier 4y ago
It was Lieberman, one source: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/02/israeli-and-palestinian-textbooks-researchers-have-conducted-a-comprehensive-study-that-reveals-that-both-sides-are-guilty-of-distorting-the-truth-in-the-classroom.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/02/israeli-and-pale... And there are debates about the state of Israels democracy: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/democracy-means-judicial-autonomy-german-envoy-says-israel-overhaul-2023-02-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/democracy-means-ju...
- edanm 4y ago
  I want to be clear that I'm not defending Lieberman, I hate him and think statements like his are horrible. That said, you're leaving out context that make clear this is different. Maybe the biggest difference is - he didn't suggest drowning all Palestinians, unlike the statements calling to "eradicate Israel". He specifically said it's better to drown Palestinian prisoners in the sea rather than release them (as part of a security deal, I believe.) (Which is still a despicable thing to say, don't get me wrong, but a very different thing nonetheless) Also, the headline from the article that talks about this statement is "Lieberman Blasted for Suggesting Drowning Palestinian Prisoners". His sentiment is far too widespread, but statements like those are still not palatable. (Though to be fair, the situation today is probably worse.) > And there are debates about the state of Israels democracy Yeah things are not looking super rosy, but so far everything is speculation. There were also worries about the US's democracy, worries about a potential constitutional crisis, etc. I think it's safe to still call the US a democracy.

Fatnino 4y ago

I've always heard Palestinians (hamas, PLO) calling for all the Israelis to be pushed into the sea and drowned. Interesting how there is very little discomfit about that from non Israelis.

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