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It's even self-acknowledged to be the same imaginary friend!

by coryrc 4y ago

LegitShady 4y ago
this is nonsense. Jews don't believe in the legitimacy of christianity's theft of their holy book or christian holy books, christians dont believe in the koran even if islam claims jesus as an islamic prophet, and islam doesn't believe in the revelations of the bahai even if the bahai claim it to be another revelation after islam. This "its all the same god" is feel good western stuff that has nothing to do with religious adherents of those religions. Nobody believes the next guy's book is legitimate, they just borrow the one before them to take the previous group's legitimacy. It's not the same god, its this massive game of gaslighting everyone is playing that the actual religious people do not play the same way.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  Certainly, Jews, Christians and Muslims believe different things about God, that doesn’t mean that they don't see themselves as believers in the same God. > This "its all the same god" is feel good western stuff that has nothing to do with religious adherents of those religions. The joint declaration between the (Roman Catholic) Pope and the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar would seem to disagree. [0] Similarly, the many joint declarations between the Vatican and Chief Rabbinate of Israel, which frequently invoke shared faith in the same God and shared Scripture. [1] [0] https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2019-02/pope-francis-uae-declaration-with-al-azhar-grand-imam.html https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2019-02/pope-francis... [1] https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/documents-and-statements/interreligious/israeli-rabbinate-vatican-commission https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/documents-and-statements...
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    Its feel good nonsense. Jews dont believe in the revelations of christianity or islam. Christians don't believe in the revelations of islam and have written off most of the requirements of judaism, and islamic people dont believe in the bahai revelations. When they pretend this 'same god' has schizophrenia and lied to the other groups its just that - pretend. We've spent so long gaslighting everyone about religious declarations we've lost the fundamental plot. Those people do not believe that the other religions have any legitimacy about what god says, except to borrow the legitimacy of previous religions for their own self interest. The vatican and the israeli rabbinate are largely political entities. The chief rabbinate is not credible a religious authority even within israel - its a political appointment. You're being gaslit about what people believe because religious politics make 'playing well together against the nonbelievers' more important than telling the truth.
    - nl 4y ago
      While this is mostly true, it is worth noting that Christians believe they worship the same god as Jews (even if Jews don't believe what Christian's believe). This is important because there is a strong fundamentalist Christian lobby group in the US that supports Israel politically for these religious reasons.
      - LegitShady 4y ago
        as I said, each group is happy to co-opt the holy books of the one before it to assert their own credibility. christians take the jewish holy books and add their own ending, but the idea of a son of god is anathema in judaism. Muslims take jesus as a prophet, and judaism as well, but disregard both for their own rules. etc etc. So what christians believe is very self serving in terms of taking judaisms books to coopt for their benefit. Jews definitely dont believe any part of the new testament and believe jesus to be a false messiah. the feel good nature of "let the believers band together against the nonbelievers" is the gaslighting that lets people talk about how its all the same god, when it clearly isn't.
        nl 4y ago
        You realize we are in strong agreement here right?
29athrowaway 4y ago
All the fantastic stories about my imaginary friend stopped as soon as some random monkeys discovered how to write and how to cross verify evidence. Dude, trust me, my imaginary friend is legit. You should read my imaginary friendship book bro, my imaginary friend wrote it with the help of some random dude because despite being ommipotent my imaginary friend cannot write his own book apparently. And despite being everywhere you need to visit my imaginary friend by entering a specific structure built by some random dude. If you sacrifice your non imaginary life you can go to my imaginary friend's crib in an imaginary afterlife. It's a more than fair deal.

It's even self-acknowledged to be the same imaginary friend!

by coryrc 4y ago

It's even self-acknowledged to be the same imaginary friend!

this is nonsense. Jews don't believe in the legitimacy of christianity's theft of their holy book or christian holy books, christians dont believe in the koran even if islam claims jesus as an islamic prophet, and islam doesn't believe in the revelations of the bahai even if the bahai claim it to be another revelation after islam. This "its all the same god" is feel good western stuff that has nothing to do with religious adherents of those religions. Nobody believes the next guy's book is legitimate, they just borrow the one before them to take the previous group's legitimacy. It's not the same god, its this massive game of gaslighting everyone is playing that the actual religious people do not play the same way.

dragonwriter 4y ago
Certainly, Jews, Christians and Muslims believe different things about God, that doesn’t mean that they don't see themselves as believers in the same God. > This "its all the same god" is feel good western stuff that has nothing to do with religious adherents of those religions. The joint declaration between the (Roman Catholic) Pope and the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar would seem to disagree. [0] Similarly, the many joint declarations between the Vatican and Chief Rabbinate of Israel, which frequently invoke shared faith in the same God and shared Scripture. [1] [0] https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2019-02/pope-francis-uae-declaration-with-al-azhar-grand-imam.html https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2019-02/pope-francis... [1] https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/documents-and-statements/interreligious/israeli-rabbinate-vatican-commission https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/documents-and-statements...
- LegitShady 4y ago
  Its feel good nonsense. Jews dont believe in the revelations of christianity or islam. Christians don't believe in the revelations of islam and have written off most of the requirements of judaism, and islamic people dont believe in the bahai revelations. When they pretend this 'same god' has schizophrenia and lied to the other groups its just that - pretend. We've spent so long gaslighting everyone about religious declarations we've lost the fundamental plot. Those people do not believe that the other religions have any legitimacy about what god says, except to borrow the legitimacy of previous religions for their own self interest. The vatican and the israeli rabbinate are largely political entities. The chief rabbinate is not credible a religious authority even within israel - its a political appointment. You're being gaslit about what people believe because religious politics make 'playing well together against the nonbelievers' more important than telling the truth.
  - nl 4y ago
    While this is mostly true, it is worth noting that Christians believe they worship the same god as Jews (even if Jews don't believe what Christian's believe). This is important because there is a strong fundamentalist Christian lobby group in the US that supports Israel politically for these religious reasons.
    - LegitShady 4y ago
      as I said, each group is happy to co-opt the holy books of the one before it to assert their own credibility. christians take the jewish holy books and add their own ending, but the idea of a son of god is anathema in judaism. Muslims take jesus as a prophet, and judaism as well, but disregard both for their own rules. etc etc. So what christians believe is very self serving in terms of taking judaisms books to coopt for their benefit. Jews definitely dont believe any part of the new testament and believe jesus to be a false messiah. the feel good nature of "let the believers band together against the nonbelievers" is the gaslighting that lets people talk about how its all the same god, when it clearly isn't.
      - nl 4y ago
        You realize we are in strong agreement here right?

29athrowaway 4y ago

All the fantastic stories about my imaginary friend stopped as soon as some random monkeys discovered how to write and how to cross verify evidence. Dude, trust me, my imaginary friend is legit. You should read my imaginary friendship book bro, my imaginary friend wrote it with the help of some random dude because despite being ommipotent my imaginary friend cannot write his own book apparently. And despite being everywhere you need to visit my imaginary friend by entering a specific structure built by some random dude. If you sacrifice your non imaginary life you can go to my imaginary friend's crib in an imaginary afterlife. It's a more than fair deal.