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Does this 7950X3D have an iGPU? P.S: the table in TFA lists the 7700 as having the same 105W as the 7700X. I think that's a slight mistake and the 7700 is 65W

Does this 7950X3D have an iGPU? P.S: the table in TFA lists the 7700 as having the same 105W as the 7700X. I think that's a slight mistake and the 7700 is 65W max listed TDP instead. FWIW I'm considering a 7700 for I'm not ultra happy with my 3700X (one of the reason being it has no iGPU and I could find a passive GPU with a NVidia chipset, forcing me to use proprietary drivers in Linux and it's a major PITA for if I hack on ther kernel I then need to apply the NVidia patches every time)

treesciencebot 4y ago
Yes [1]! IIRC the iGPU is located in the I/O die [2] which is pretty much the same in all their consumer SKUs (so I don't expect any changes in either memory controller or the iGPU for their X3D models). [1]: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d [2]: https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/01/05/amds-zen-4-part-3-system-level-stuff-and-igpu/ https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/01/05/amds-zen-4-part-3-syst...
alanfranz 4y ago
You can find some passive rx550 and rx560 which work great on Linux with OSS drivers.
- TacticalCoder 4y ago
  Ah nice, I'll try to see if I can find one that can do 4K @ 75 Hz (well 3840x1600 really, not 4K but if it does 4K it's good for me).
W1zzardTPU 4y ago
Thanks for pointing out the error in the specs table, I failed at copy paste, fixed now ;)
- TacticalCoder 4y ago
  My pleasure and thanks for fixing it!
brucethemoose2 4y ago
Yes, its very minimal though, and AMD makes more "balanced" CPUs with an IGP that might work with your existing motherboard. The 3 die chips like this are probably not the best choice for passive cooling, as they burn a lot of power on interchip communication.
- TacticalCoder 4y ago
  Oh I don't necessarily want to passive cool the whole box... I typically stuff a Be Quiet! CPU cooler and a BeQuiet! PSU and I'm happy like that.
zekica 4y ago
Yes, it has an iGPU like all 7xxx desktop Ryzen CPUs. But the GPU has only 2 RDNA2 CUs compared to 96 RDNA3 CUs in Radeon RX7900XTX, or 80 RDNA2 CUs in RX6900XT. For example, mobile Ryzen 6800H has 12 RDNA2 CUs. So it is fine for desktop use like the Intel (non XE) iGPUs.
mastax 4y ago
I vaguely remember that the iGPUs in the 7000 series had some trouble with Linux support. May be wrong, but do look into that. Might need a bleeding-edge kernel and mesa.
- TacticalCoder 4y ago
  There was a blog post posted here a few weeks/months(?) ago but basically the person was using an old kernel. I'll look more into it.
  - brucethemoose2 4y ago
    This is a recurring theme with AMD, going back to (at least?) the Zen 1 APUs. Initial linux support is buggy, and you basically have to run a bleeding edge kernel.
arprocter 4y ago
If you're on a 3700X you'll need a new board and RAM for AM5 Assuming your motherboard has video outputs it'll be much cheaper to stay on AM4 and throw in a 5700G
- carom 4y ago
  I just fell into this hole. Started a rebuild and the only thing moving to the new computer is my 3090.
  - arprocter 4y ago
    Yeah - I was debating switching from 5600X to 5800X3D, but it probably makes more sense to wait for the AM5 dust to settle and redo the whole thing
- TacticalCoder 4y ago
  I think I'll just get rid of it (give it to the wife or something): there are several things I don't like about it. No USB-C port (sure I could add an adapter), only 1 Gb/s ethernet on the mobo, etc. I'm not even sure I can just put a 5700G in it without having the flashing mobo. I'll probably build something around an Asus B650-Plus mobo: it's got USB-C stock, 2.5 Gbit/s ethernet, DDR5 (I know it's pricier and boots slower, but it's faster too), etc. I'll reuse one of the NVMe .2 SSD I've got laying around so the whole build should set me back 1 K EUR (with 32 GB of DDR5), which is quite okay.
Macha 4y ago
What do you need the iGPU to render? A desktop or IPMI? Sure, it has one. An actual game? It may as well not. It won't compete with the iGPUs on Intel CPUs or even AMD's APUs.
- mldbk 4y ago
  Probably make a GPU passthru for VM and stay with iGPU within hypervisor

treesciencebot 4y ago

Yes [1]! IIRC the iGPU is located in the I/O die [2] which is pretty much the same in all their consumer SKUs (so I don't expect any changes in either memory controller or the iGPU for their X3D models). [1]: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d [2]: https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/01/05/amds-zen-4-part-3-system-level-stuff-and-igpu/ https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/01/05/amds-zen-4-part-3-syst...

alanfranz 4y ago

You can find some passive rx550 and rx560 which work great on Linux with OSS drivers.

TacticalCoder 4y ago
Ah nice, I'll try to see if I can find one that can do 4K @ 75 Hz (well 3840x1600 really, not 4K but if it does 4K it's good for me).

W1zzardTPU 4y ago

Thanks for pointing out the error in the specs table, I failed at copy paste, fixed now ;)

TacticalCoder 4y ago
My pleasure and thanks for fixing it!

brucethemoose2 4y ago

Yes, its very minimal though, and AMD makes more "balanced" CPUs with an IGP that might work with your existing motherboard. The 3 die chips like this are probably not the best choice for passive cooling, as they burn a lot of power on interchip communication.

TacticalCoder 4y ago
Oh I don't necessarily want to passive cool the whole box... I typically stuff a Be Quiet! CPU cooler and a BeQuiet! PSU and I'm happy like that.

zekica 4y ago

Yes, it has an iGPU like all 7xxx desktop Ryzen CPUs. But the GPU has only 2 RDNA2 CUs compared to 96 RDNA3 CUs in Radeon RX7900XTX, or 80 RDNA2 CUs in RX6900XT. For example, mobile Ryzen 6800H has 12 RDNA2 CUs. So it is fine for desktop use like the Intel (non XE) iGPUs.

mastax 4y ago

I vaguely remember that the iGPUs in the 7000 series had some trouble with Linux support. May be wrong, but do look into that. Might need a bleeding-edge kernel and mesa.

TacticalCoder 4y ago
There was a blog post posted here a few weeks/months(?) ago but basically the person was using an old kernel. I'll look more into it.
- brucethemoose2 4y ago
  This is a recurring theme with AMD, going back to (at least?) the Zen 1 APUs. Initial linux support is buggy, and you basically have to run a bleeding edge kernel.

arprocter 4y ago

If you're on a 3700X you'll need a new board and RAM for AM5 Assuming your motherboard has video outputs it'll be much cheaper to stay on AM4 and throw in a 5700G

carom 4y ago
I just fell into this hole. Started a rebuild and the only thing moving to the new computer is my 3090.
- arprocter 4y ago
  Yeah - I was debating switching from 5600X to 5800X3D, but it probably makes more sense to wait for the AM5 dust to settle and redo the whole thing
TacticalCoder 4y ago
I think I'll just get rid of it (give it to the wife or something): there are several things I don't like about it. No USB-C port (sure I could add an adapter), only 1 Gb/s ethernet on the mobo, etc. I'm not even sure I can just put a 5700G in it without having the flashing mobo. I'll probably build something around an Asus B650-Plus mobo: it's got USB-C stock, 2.5 Gbit/s ethernet, DDR5 (I know it's pricier and boots slower, but it's faster too), etc. I'll reuse one of the NVMe .2 SSD I've got laying around so the whole build should set me back 1 K EUR (with 32 GB of DDR5), which is quite okay.

Macha 4y ago

What do you need the iGPU to render? A desktop or IPMI? Sure, it has one. An actual game? It may as well not. It won't compete with the iGPUs on Intel CPUs or even AMD's APUs.

mldbk 4y ago
Probably make a GPU passthru for VM and stay with iGPU within hypervisor