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Dutch man needs CPR, but YouTube shows ads before tutorial
- joseftexas 4y agoRevanced.
- clouddrover 4y agoUse uBlock Origin. It saves lives.
- tiku 4y agoSmartube next on Shield.
- foxyv 4y agoPeople need to watch more Doctor Mike! Chest compressions, chest compressions, chest compressions! Although I don't think he translates his content to Dutch... Seriously though, call emergency services and they will walk you through CPR while sending help. YouTube is not an emergency service.
- tiku 4y agoEnglish is almost our second language..
- foxyv 4y agoIf you have Dutch set as your language on YouTube you may not see him much since he doesn't make Dutch content. I also hear Dutch is the easiest language to learn if you speak either English or German because it often lends from both. I wonder what percentage of Dutch set their browser to English?
- falcolas 4y agoFor folks who use TikTok, "TheSleepyParamedic" has a fantastic CPR demonstration that's worth bookmarking. https://www.tiktok.com/@thesleepyparamedic/video/7184506959775698219 https://www.tiktok.com/@thesleepyparamedic/video/71845069597...
- trvz 4y ago"Dutch man needs CPR, but YouTube shows ads before tutorial", says newspaper whose website needs more than one click to disallow tracking cookies.
- p0pcult 4y agoAre these situations really the same thing?
- sebastien_b 4y agoIt’s a symptom of the same monetization problem (ie. greed).
- Shish2k 4y agoNot quite - youtube is not an emergency service, so should not be expected to act like an emergency service. However, the european cookie law says that opting-out should be as simple as opting in, and so the news website should be expected to have a one-click opt-out :P
- p0pcult 4y agoYes, we should expect the legal minimum from all entities! Especially the wealthy ones!
- DrThunder 4y agoYep. If you're going down the road of suggesting a private tech company that has nothing to do with medical health should be coerced into providing ad-free medical videos... well then it's perfectly reasonable to point the finger at a news site throwing ads at us. In fact, why can't I get to a CPR video through ed.nl???? They ought to be providing me up to the minute health streaming CPR videos just in case I go in to sudden cardiac arrest.
- encoderer 4y agoEven if there were no ads you're going to get four and half minutes of radio-dj style commentary at the top of the video to increase the length -- to optimize for The Algorithm.
- laweijfmvo 4y agonot to mention potentially incorrect information that will kill someone.
- OJFord 4y agoDon't forget scream-face thumbnail with a big curly arrow '<--- unconscious!'
- ryandrake 4y ago"If this video helped you to save a life, don't forget to SMASH that Like button and MANGLE that Subscribe button! And buy our merch! We're offering streamer-branded fire extinguishers this month!"
- bogomipz 4y agoInteresting. I hadn't considered why so many content creators add an intro theme song and animated graphics and a mini ad demonstrating how to subscribe etc. I hadn't considered this is all just padding to increase the length for recommendation optimization.
- OJFord 4y agoMatthias Wandel is a 'creator' I can easily recommend to anyone on HN (actually, iirc he's here too - early RIM (Blackberry) engineer) - especially his 'random stuff' channel now that it has a clearer separation. Like many channels it used to just be a 'second channel' for lower quality/didn't make the cut/not expected to be popular sort of videos, at least by my viewing and understanding. But more recently his 'main' channel has focussed on the woodworking, and random stuff has been almost entirely the experiments (sometimes bridging the gap with woodworking, like testing woods or glues in various ways), electronics, etc. Not to say the main channel isn't great, just only if you're into watching woodworking on YouTube perhaps, whereas I think most people reading HN comments would generally enjoy 'random stuff'.
- pipeline_peak 4y agoThere should be an option for special case emergency videos. One's that don't play with ads and show up as top results. The video would have to be reviewed before receiving said ranking. I couldn't imagine a lot of uploaders would abuse this as they wouldn't get paid. Of course the question is, what's in it for Google? You've probably noticed when you search a disease, it provides a nice result with graphics and dialogs. Although I don't know if they'd be interesting in preserving that image over to Youtube, as that place is a cesspool for content creation, whatever that means...
- monkeynotes 4y ago> should be Why? And what other platforms "should" do this? Do phone OSs have to have CPR videos embedded for quick access? Seems clear to me these are edge cases that certainly do not warrant legislation. The world has much bigger problems to work on.
- adamauckland 4y agoPhone OS do most definitely have emergency services features allowing you to bypass normal OS functionality, yes. Similarly, if you want to own the worlds information, you have certain responsibilities because people will go to you in an emergency.
- DrThunder 4y agoThey allow you to call 911 (the designated emergency service), they don't give you a video of CPR. What's your point here?
- pipeline_peak 4y ago>Why? Because during an emergency, someone shouldn't have to watch an ad when accessing life saving information. That would drive anyone mad. >And what other platforms "should" do this? Do phone OSs have to have CPR videos embedded for quick access? Not quite sure where you're going with this speculation, but I wouldn't exactly call a medical emergency an "edge case", maybe that's just me.
- dihydro 4y agoYoutube will say "Oh, we can't pick and choose because then unscrupulous channels will tag their garbage videos as CPR and not get ads, or the search quality will go down." This is utter BS, because we know they have the tools to boost or suppress individual channels, so YT needs to vet existing channels, and flag them as ad free or important for search. A channel and video that comes to mind is the Red Cross' CPR instructional video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eRwgM2Pa4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eRwgM2Pa4o
- mananaysiempre 4y agoYou used to be able to tell YouTube you don’t want it to show ads on your videos nor to give you money in return. How you can’t refuse the ads[1]. Good news—you can still refuse the money! /s Presumably the Red Cross channel is from those earlier times. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/youtube-will-put-ads-on-non-partner-videos-but-wont-pay-the-creators.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/youtube-will-put-ads-on-non-...
- zamnos 4y agoI never considered paying for YouTube premium to avoid ads a health and safety matter, but I guess in this case it would be.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoYep... they manage to find curse words, any mention of "the plague", anything on the "wrong" political side, and demonetize immediately... but asking for red cross videos to be on top and without ads is "too much" for them.
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- JumpCrisscross 4y agoThis seems like a simple case of pinning a Red Cross/Crescent video to the top of searches which may resemble emergency instructions.
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- stuaxo 4y agoNext: If youtube is pressed for a statement on this what are the chances that it says something like "We serve adverts to give people the best experience with Youtube" or similar ?
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- siva7 4y agoIt's not exactly Youtube's use case of being used in medical emergency situations. We have established other procedures for that.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago> We have established other procedures for that. Like what? Call 112/911/999.. and then what? Car drivers here have to pass a first aid course, but that could have been decades ago. Except for waiting 10+ minutes for an ambulance, what do you expect people around the suffocating/dying/bleeding person to do? Yes, youtube wasn't made for that, neither were phones made for watching videos, but since everyone has a phone and phones can show videos, and videos can show the "first aid with X" video, people will use them for just that.
- zdragnar 4y ago911 etc will walk you through exactly what to do. Youtube is also not the only source of video information on the internet. Going to a site/app that rolls ads before videos should never be your first choice in an emergency situation.
- scop 4y agoThis sounds like a ripe short story or short film (perhaps by the Coen brothers) on modern man.
- sublinear 4y agoWell sadly even if someone who already knows CPR is available, it's not that effective. Definitely still worth attempting, but my point is that complaining about the ads on youtube for this use case is silly.
- Someone1234 4y agoCPR is effective for certain types of conditions, in particular drowning or heart attacks. If you can keep CPR going until they reach the hospital, it can save a life and or reduce brain damage/improve recovery. This is an article about heart attacks.
- renewiltord 4y agoCannot believe people won't pay $10/month to be ready to save other people's lives. Fortunately, I care enough that I do that. But I cannot expect others to be as moral, intelligent, and handsome as I am. To anyone reading this: do not fear, I believe your life is worth more than $10/month even if others do not.
- iwsk 4y agoMaybe Youtube could have a limited number of ad skips meant for emergencies like these. Like 5 per month.
- bluefirebrand 4y agoMore likely a special search case will be added that injects a small notification bar. "It looks like you are looking for emergency assistance. We cannot guarantee the accuracy or usefulness of any of our community uploaded videos in the case of an emergency situation. If someone is having an emergency, we recommend calling your local emergency service at: [number] instead of looking for help here"
- notatoad 4y agoit's completely unreasonable to complain that a site which doesn't promise emergency first aid instruction doesn't do a good job at providing emergency first aid instruction. pornhub also didn't help me learn how to perform CPR. should we be outraged about that too?
- jaywalk 4y agoYou just weren't looking for the right type of porn...
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y agoAnd even more concerning ChatGPT told me it was unavailable when I wanted to quickly ask it how to perform CPR.
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- PortleyFool 4y agoThe blame sits with the uploader who chose to monetize this video. Not YouTube.
- daedalus_f 4y agoYouTube shows adds on videos even if they are not chosen for monetisation by the creator. Not all, but some. They even show adds on channels which have not reached the viewership metrics required to apply to be allowed to monetise your content in the first place. The only difference in these cases is YouTube keeps all the advertising revenue generated.
- LinuxBender 4y agoI would normally love to dump on Youtube but not in this case in my opinion. YT are in no way obligated to provide emergency services and nowhere do they agree to this expectation. In my opinion someones life should not depend on the internet availability. Rather people should ensure they have a reliable phone to call emergency services. A dispatcher may be able to talk the person through some rudimentary CPR steps. I would encourage everyone to get CPR certified as it can save lives in your home, with your friends and at work. Especially those with children should get and remain CPR certified. Also consider buying an AED [1] for your home and encourage your workplace to install AED's on each floor and get at least 10% of the staff CPR certified. AED's are super easy to use and most models will literally talk you through how to use them. There are usually discounts for training larger numbers of people and the trainers will come on-site with everything they need. The safety management teams should also find out if having {n} percent of people CPR certified will lower their corporate insurance. Some CPR training companies can also do advanced CPR training including one or two days of on-site advanced didactic training. The knowledge provided by these courses can save lives especially when emergency services are delayed or otherwise busy with others and this knowledge can be used anywhere. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_external_defibrillat...
- ruined 4y agoif youtube doesn't want to be the primary platform for emergency video instruction, then they shouldn't be the dominant platform for video instruction
- DrThunder 4y agoIf you won't run the business the way I want you to run it then don't have a business. Sounds like a great plan to create competition and better overall products....you're suggesting we incentivize bad business.
- dheera 4y agoI'm alive because someone used an AED on me and I now have an implanted ICD. I'm thinking of carrying an AED around in my car for others just in case. What's a good budget one to buy?
- smm11 4y agoTo this day, when there is "breaking news" I find a television, or at least a stream from a TV network. There's a time and place for everything. Youtube in a life/death situation is not that.
- kristiandupont 4y agoI am reminded of this Loading Artist comic: https://loadingartist.com/comic/dire-situation/ https://loadingartist.com/comic/dire-situation/
- paxys 4y agoHow about – if you need emergency medical services don't open YouTube.
- pimlottc 4y agoPeople use the resources they know about and are familiar with, especially in a crisis. Off the top of my head, I don't know exactly where to find clear instructions on performing CPR. Sure, you can google it, but in the heat of the moment, where seconds matter, going to YouTube doesn't seem like the worst idea. Especially on mobile, where YouTube has an optimized experience.
- ihateyouall123 4y agoNot Youtube's problem. Also ad block.
- ushtaritk421 4y agoIf people don't want youtube videos to have advertisements they should buy youtube premium.
- jrochkind1 4y agoWhat if someone who needs CPR googles for a CPR tutorial, and gets a bad one? What if it's not wrong exactly, it's just really bad instruction, it's confusing and takes too long. Maybe it's accidentally confusing or misleading. Maybe it's _old_ and best practices for CPR have changed in some way since it was created. Is YouTube liable for allowing such a thing? I mean, legally we know that _currently_ there are probably a variety of reasons they aren't, and it's anyway a different question _legally_ than of putting ads before a (presumably high-quality?) CPR instructional video. But ethically? I think this example shows... it's kind of crazy to hold YouTube responsible for making sure someone succesfully gets access to an instructional video on CPR in the moment of actually needing CPR, _and_ that eliminating ads before CPR instructional videos would actually just be _part_ of that if we did consider them responsible. They'd also have to make sure that someone searching actually found a correct and high-quality best practices instructional video, right? Which also seems unreasonable. I think it's unreasonable to expect that YouTube should provide emergency material in the urgent moment of need, that's not what YouTube does.
- incone123 4y agoI would not assume any tutorial will get straight to the point even if there are no ads.
- bunnyswipe_com 4y agoI also blame every problems of my life on big corporation, as every good socialist.
- albertop 4y agoA man needs CPR, post a question on Hacker News, still waits for discussion to converge.
- Ekaros 4y agoSo where would this end? Should all types of content that instruct how to act in any type of emergency be add free? And should the content creators be allowed first make some CPR or like intro and then other content? And have full thing be add free?
- lcuff 4y agoI believe YouTube would need to hand select such videos. According to Tubefilter 500 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every minute. (2019 data) It's hard for me to see how YouTube can be held responsible for _anything_ that is posted. Not that some effort shouldn't be made, but the scope of the task is enormous.
- stronglikedan 4y agoSeems like Dutch man learned a valuable life lesson about calling YT before EMS, and should be thanking and praising YT for it.
- tzs 4y agoWhen you Google for emergency CPR tutorials it is not giving you videos designed by their creators as instructions for learning some CPR during an emergency. It is giving videos designed for learning CPR so you will be ready for future emergencies. Many of these will be unsuited for emergency use. For example the Red Cross CPR video someone else linked to takes almost two minutes to actually get to doing CPR. That's longer than the sum of the lengths of the video in the article and the ads. It might be a good idea to have some videos specifically aimed at people who need to learn right away to deal with a present emergency (for a variety of things, not just CPR). Searches for "emergency" or similar should not include those videos in the general results but instead should have a notice at the top of the results saying "If you are dealing with an emergency right now click here" which would take you to a page where you can click on what kind of emergency you are dealing with and it gives a curated list of videos, along with text instructions.
- tpoacher 4y agoI still consider this not even half as bad as shoving ear-popping funky music ads down your earholes smack in the middle of some quiet reflective classical music.