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> Recent Pew Research indicates that over 60% of young men are currently single. Given that the proportion and dynamics of some-sex relations makes not a big d

> Recent Pew Research indicates that over 60% of young men are currently single. Given that the proportion and dynamics of some-sex relations makes not a big difference here, would this not imply that roughly the same percentage of young women are currently single, too?

trekkie1024 4y ago
Not at all, we're not completely sure why but single women: single men is 2:1 (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-yo...)
- watwut 4y ago
  > Social circles have been shrinking for men and women, especially since the pandemic, but men struggle more. Thirty years ago, 55 percent of men reported having six or more close friends. By 2021, that share had slipped to 27 percent. I am surprised over this. I thought the boys have advantage over girls in pandemic friends keeping. First, they play videogames as a form of socialization much more and therefore pandemic affected it much less. They still kept playing games with friends. And second, because non-feminist and slightly anti-feminists pundits created minor panic over girls socialization. (I put emphasis on non-and-slightly-anti-feminist, because feminists focusing on girls does not imply anything special). Like, I get how video games as form of socialization prevent finding partner. But I am surprised they did not helped boys to keep friends.
  - igetspam 4y ago
    But it turns out, we're just not very good at being friends or a social group. https://www.iflscience.com/20-kids-were-left-alone-in-a-house-for-a-controversial-experiment-this-is-what-happened-67576 https://www.iflscience.com/20-kids-were-left-alone-in-a-hous... (No, this is not scientific but it's pretty interesting.)
    - watwut 4y ago
      I suspect this has a lot to do with sample selection. Because while there are statistical differences between cleanness of genders or bullying behavior, you don't really get angelic perfect girls vs evil mischieving boys unless you intentionally selects for it. And yes I am in contact with kids. The shows like this put a lot of effort into selecting performers so that the end result is funny and entertaining. The kids knew they are performing for TV and the families that allow their kids to be on show like that are also very biased sample.
zztop44 4y ago
Not if women are dating older men, or if there is a gendered difference in the way people interpret the question (ie: what the definition of single is). Probably some combination.
- geysersam 4y ago
  Then older single women should be more common than older single men. Damn, it's so tough for the older women out there in the cutthroat dating world. Why don't young single men start dating older women?
  - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
    Frigidity
  - luckylion 4y ago
    Most women are looking for a partner of equal or higher standing, and sex isn't a primary concern. A 20yo man has little to offer to a 40yo woman besides being close to his peak fitness, which she cares little for.
    - ashwagary 4y ago
      In the reverse, a 40yo woman has little to offer a young or old man looking for a serious relationship that will eventually lead to having children.
      - luckylion 4y ago
        Certainly, but if 60% of men < 30 aren't having sex, I'm not sure they'd reject a 40yo woman's advances just because she might be too old to have children.
      - t-3 4y ago
        She has a lot to offer a young man looking for a casual relationship though. Generally lot more fun than the young ones, and no bullshit or games either.
usgroup 4y ago
Unless they are dating not-young-men ?
PedroBatista 4y ago
My guess would be a fair amount of “it’s complicated” responses

trekkie1024 4y ago

Not at all, we're not completely sure why but single women: single men is 2:1 (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-yo...)

watwut 4y ago
> Social circles have been shrinking for men and women, especially since the pandemic, but men struggle more. Thirty years ago, 55 percent of men reported having six or more close friends. By 2021, that share had slipped to 27 percent. I am surprised over this. I thought the boys have advantage over girls in pandemic friends keeping. First, they play videogames as a form of socialization much more and therefore pandemic affected it much less. They still kept playing games with friends. And second, because non-feminist and slightly anti-feminists pundits created minor panic over girls socialization. (I put emphasis on non-and-slightly-anti-feminist, because feminists focusing on girls does not imply anything special). Like, I get how video games as form of socialization prevent finding partner. But I am surprised they did not helped boys to keep friends.
- igetspam 4y ago
  But it turns out, we're just not very good at being friends or a social group. https://www.iflscience.com/20-kids-were-left-alone-in-a-house-for-a-controversial-experiment-this-is-what-happened-67576 https://www.iflscience.com/20-kids-were-left-alone-in-a-hous... (No, this is not scientific but it's pretty interesting.)
  - watwut 4y ago
    I suspect this has a lot to do with sample selection. Because while there are statistical differences between cleanness of genders or bullying behavior, you don't really get angelic perfect girls vs evil mischieving boys unless you intentionally selects for it. And yes I am in contact with kids. The shows like this put a lot of effort into selecting performers so that the end result is funny and entertaining. The kids knew they are performing for TV and the families that allow their kids to be on show like that are also very biased sample.

zztop44 4y ago

Not if women are dating older men, or if there is a gendered difference in the way people interpret the question (ie: what the definition of single is). Probably some combination.

geysersam 4y ago
Then older single women should be more common than older single men. Damn, it's so tough for the older women out there in the cutthroat dating world. Why don't young single men start dating older women?
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  Frigidity
- luckylion 4y ago
  Most women are looking for a partner of equal or higher standing, and sex isn't a primary concern. A 20yo man has little to offer to a 40yo woman besides being close to his peak fitness, which she cares little for.
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    In the reverse, a 40yo woman has little to offer a young or old man looking for a serious relationship that will eventually lead to having children.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      Certainly, but if 60% of men < 30 aren't having sex, I'm not sure they'd reject a 40yo woman's advances just because she might be too old to have children.
    - t-3 4y ago
      She has a lot to offer a young man looking for a casual relationship though. Generally lot more fun than the young ones, and no bullshit or games either.

usgroup 4y ago

Unless they are dating not-young-men ?

PedroBatista 4y ago

My guess would be a fair amount of “it’s complicated” responses