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Very useful read. My friend, an osteopath, says neck issues also can create breathing obstructions, and it makes a good deal of people wake up in the middle of

Very useful read. My friend, an osteopath, says neck issues also can create breathing obstructions, and it makes a good deal of people wake up in the middle of the night and stay awake, even though they don't even think it's a problem. Symptom to watch for: you wake up and your nose is stuffy, can't breathe through it, but there's no snot. And in 5-15 minutes it gets clear. If you have it, it means lymph flow out of the head is obstructed, and works only thanks to gravity when you're upright. It's a reason to be worried by itself, beacuse it also causes blood circulation obstructions. But if someone has issues with throat, it can contribute to apnea.

legojoey17 4y ago
Thanks for sharing, this seems like what happens to me except only partially (1 nostril fully congested and the other partially). I've only recently self-educated myself on nasal and sinus obstruction issues after particularly bad congestion from a cold. I used Afrin for one night and realized that my typical night was far from breathable compared to that.
- Wagthesam 4y ago
  My ENT gave me afrin and used it as a diagnostic tool
findthewords 4y ago
Thank you, very useful information. Never thought of neck problems but my ergonomic situation has been bad for a couple of years now and lines up with these problems.
M5x7wI3CmbEem10 4y ago
what’s the solution to congestion?
- rednerrus 4y ago
  My CPAP with warm wet air in it has fixed mine.
- culebron21 4y ago
  He suggests osteopathy, but there's criticism to the methods. I guess, if we exclude osteopathy, it would be mild massage, and excercise to move and rotate the neck.
- Wagthesam 4y ago
  if its allergic, then treat the allergies. non allergic I have less experience with, but my understanding is flonase / antihistamines could still help many other causes though (nasal infection, diet, etc)
stef25 4y ago
Strange, I often have this. Feels like it's related to more to smoking, drinking, dust, lack of fresh air. My doc told me once you're better off rinsing your noise with salt water and then positioning your head in a certain way to let gravity do its thing and it works wonders even without rinsing the nose. Avoid OTC nose sprays at all cost! Osteopaths gave me nothing but witchcraft over a period of 15 years: "your lower back pain is due to the EM rays coming out of your computer screen. Spend more time outside. And let me work on your energy points. That will be $150 please. Oh and PS - don't even try running, it will destroy you even more". In the end all it took was advice from a good physio (strengthen your core). And I can now run a half marathon with no problems, despite one leg being 15mm longer than the other which was the reason for my lower back pain. My hips weren't straight, putting stress on my core muscles.
- culebron21 4y ago
  This friend of mine studied 8 years at univeristy, and still 15 years into career digs into medical literature and atlases, so he's very rigorous, and having scientific background myself, I can distinguish those who tell myths and fairy tales, like "just breathe fresh air". In my case, he just told me this story in a conversation, without me asking, and then I noticed his explanation was the most convincing: the days I have pain in the neck, coincide with waking up with stuffy nose and a feeling of "inflated" head. So this sort of fits even Popper criterium (make a verifiable prediction).
brailsafe 4y ago
This sounds like some of the pseudoscience my friend was talking about before he had psychotic episode. Is there any legitimacy to Osteopathy?
- piyh 4y ago
  They can prescribe medicine and do surgery. I don't think there's much woo there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_MD_and_DO_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_MD_and_DO_in_the...
- culebron21 4y ago
  He studied at a legit medical university and studied a lot of materials, digged into older books and anatomic atlases. So judging by his rigorosity, I trust this information. There are criticisms to osteopathy, and he has a reply to that, but anyway, whether or not osteopathy is a valid treatment science, does not change his knowledge of anatomy.
- triceratops 4y ago
  In the US osteopaths are considered equivalent to MDs.
tayo42 4y ago
Does this have a name, I wake up to sometimes with a clogged nose, can't breathe until it drains out. I started sleeping with more pillows to keep my head higher and it stopped, but I think it's a weird angle and makes my throat collapse.
- Wagthesam 4y ago
  You have congestion. Could be allergic, or non allergic. See an allergist and an ENT and get it checked out
- codethief 4y ago
  > I started sleeping with more pillows to keep my head higher and it stopped, but I think it's a weird angle Be careful with those pillows! A while ago I came across a YouTube video by two orthopedists who were arguing very convincingly that for neck & overall posture it's best to sleep without any pillows at all. I've been doing it for > 2 years now and, from what my body tells me, they're absolutely right. Now I can't believe I ever slept with a pillow. The reasons they gave for why pillows are bad are (I'm paraphrasing here): - As far as is possible, sleep should be used to counter the posture(s) one typically assumes during the day, not to reinforce them. (Sleeping for 8 hours basically means 8 hours of reinforcing a certain posture, whether good or bad, so better use it for one that benefits you.) - Pillows put the neck in a forward position, like when you're sitting at your desk, and therefore cause or exacerbate a neck hump. - They allow sleeping on the side, in a baby pose (i.e. with your legs tucked up) which, again, mimics the typical posture when sitting. - Pillows prevent sleeping on your stomach, a position which helps stretch the body (especially chest, neck, hip flexors).

legojoey17 4y ago

Thanks for sharing, this seems like what happens to me except only partially (1 nostril fully congested and the other partially). I've only recently self-educated myself on nasal and sinus obstruction issues after particularly bad congestion from a cold. I used Afrin for one night and realized that my typical night was far from breathable compared to that.

Wagthesam 4y ago
My ENT gave me afrin and used it as a diagnostic tool

findthewords 4y ago

Thank you, very useful information. Never thought of neck problems but my ergonomic situation has been bad for a couple of years now and lines up with these problems.

M5x7wI3CmbEem10 4y ago

what’s the solution to congestion?

rednerrus 4y ago
My CPAP with warm wet air in it has fixed mine.
culebron21 4y ago
He suggests osteopathy, but there's criticism to the methods. I guess, if we exclude osteopathy, it would be mild massage, and excercise to move and rotate the neck.
Wagthesam 4y ago
if its allergic, then treat the allergies. non allergic I have less experience with, but my understanding is flonase / antihistamines could still help many other causes though (nasal infection, diet, etc)

stef25 4y ago

Strange, I often have this. Feels like it's related to more to smoking, drinking, dust, lack of fresh air. My doc told me once you're better off rinsing your noise with salt water and then positioning your head in a certain way to let gravity do its thing and it works wonders even without rinsing the nose. Avoid OTC nose sprays at all cost! Osteopaths gave me nothing but witchcraft over a period of 15 years: "your lower back pain is due to the EM rays coming out of your computer screen. Spend more time outside. And let me work on your energy points. That will be $150 please. Oh and PS - don't even try running, it will destroy you even more". In the end all it took was advice from a good physio (strengthen your core). And I can now run a half marathon with no problems, despite one leg being 15mm longer than the other which was the reason for my lower back pain. My hips weren't straight, putting stress on my core muscles.

culebron21 4y ago
This friend of mine studied 8 years at univeristy, and still 15 years into career digs into medical literature and atlases, so he's very rigorous, and having scientific background myself, I can distinguish those who tell myths and fairy tales, like "just breathe fresh air". In my case, he just told me this story in a conversation, without me asking, and then I noticed his explanation was the most convincing: the days I have pain in the neck, coincide with waking up with stuffy nose and a feeling of "inflated" head. So this sort of fits even Popper criterium (make a verifiable prediction).

brailsafe 4y ago

This sounds like some of the pseudoscience my friend was talking about before he had psychotic episode. Is there any legitimacy to Osteopathy?

piyh 4y ago
They can prescribe medicine and do surgery. I don't think there's much woo there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_MD_and_DO_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_MD_and_DO_in_the...
culebron21 4y ago
He studied at a legit medical university and studied a lot of materials, digged into older books and anatomic atlases. So judging by his rigorosity, I trust this information. There are criticisms to osteopathy, and he has a reply to that, but anyway, whether or not osteopathy is a valid treatment science, does not change his knowledge of anatomy.
triceratops 4y ago
In the US osteopaths are considered equivalent to MDs.

tayo42 4y ago

Does this have a name, I wake up to sometimes with a clogged nose, can't breathe until it drains out. I started sleeping with more pillows to keep my head higher and it stopped, but I think it's a weird angle and makes my throat collapse.

Wagthesam 4y ago
You have congestion. Could be allergic, or non allergic. See an allergist and an ENT and get it checked out
codethief 4y ago
> I started sleeping with more pillows to keep my head higher and it stopped, but I think it's a weird angle Be careful with those pillows! A while ago I came across a YouTube video by two orthopedists who were arguing very convincingly that for neck & overall posture it's best to sleep without any pillows at all. I've been doing it for > 2 years now and, from what my body tells me, they're absolutely right. Now I can't believe I ever slept with a pillow. The reasons they gave for why pillows are bad are (I'm paraphrasing here): - As far as is possible, sleep should be used to counter the posture(s) one typically assumes during the day, not to reinforce them. (Sleeping for 8 hours basically means 8 hours of reinforcing a certain posture, whether good or bad, so better use it for one that benefits you.) - Pillows put the neck in a forward position, like when you're sitting at your desk, and therefore cause or exacerbate a neck hump. - They allow sleeping on the side, in a baby pose (i.e. with your legs tucked up) which, again, mimics the typical posture when sitting. - Pillows prevent sleeping on your stomach, a position which helps stretch the body (especially chest, neck, hip flexors).