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Apple owes its existence to American education, infrastructure, and a host of other services provided by American taxpayers. Why shouldn't they support the same

by enjo 15y ago

Apple owes its existence to American education, infrastructure, and a host of other services provided by American taxpayers. Why shouldn't they support the same families that supported them all these years?

tsotha 15y ago
>Apple owes its existence to American education, infrastructure, and a host of other services provided by American taxpayers. Why shouldn't they support the same families that supported them all these years? You mean, why shouldn't Apple pay even more to support families it's already been supporting all these years? Do you honestly think Apple, as a corporation, has been a net-negative to the taxman?
yummyfajitas 15y ago
Apple is no longer utilizing those services. It is instead using Chinese education and infrastructure. Why should Apple continue paying for services it no longer needs?
- easp 15y ago
  Absolute and total nonsense. Do you really think Apple and other multinationals could operate as profitably, or at all, without many of "those services." Enforcement of Apple's intellectual property? Protection of their brand and trademarks? The contracts they rely on? The banks they rely on? Safe passage of ships and aircraft carrying raw materials and finished goods? The security and safety of their executives and engineers?
  - yummyfajitas 15y ago
    Enforcement of Apple's intellectual property? Protection of their brand and trademarks?... These are all benefits received by Apple USA, which pays income taxes to the US. Apple's Chinese subsidiaries (which is what we were discussing) do not receive those benefits from the US government, and hence do not pay for them.
    - easp 15y ago
      No. We are talking about Apple. You may be talking only about Apple's Chineese subsidiaries. Even so, they do not exist in a vacuum, and it is foolish to think that Apple's IP, brand and trademarks would be as secure in China without the global system of IP protection that the US government has been instrumental in building.
tobylane 15y ago
It also seems to owe a lot to LSD and the Buddhist temple he want to in Nepal.
JumpCrisscross 15y ago
Apple is a boon to the US economy. It adds a market capitalization exceeding the GDP of other sovereigns, high-paying jobs, and international prestige in design and technology. Apple also pays taxes to the US Treasury. These taxes, in addition to those on the incomes of its stakeholders, are meant to repay the presumed social debt Apple gains from being here. Whether those rates are set badly or the taxes squandered isn't Apple's question. A person across the Pacific could similarly ask, if Apple hired only Americans, why Apple insists on supporting the richest country while denying people in East Asia a meager income for a crime no greater than not being American.

by enjo 15y ago

tsotha 15y ago

>Apple owes its existence to American education, infrastructure, and a host of other services provided by American taxpayers. Why shouldn't they support the same families that supported them all these years? You mean, why shouldn't Apple pay even more to support families it's already been supporting all these years? Do you honestly think Apple, as a corporation, has been a net-negative to the taxman?

yummyfajitas 15y ago

Apple is no longer utilizing those services. It is instead using Chinese education and infrastructure. Why should Apple continue paying for services it no longer needs?

easp 15y ago
Absolute and total nonsense. Do you really think Apple and other multinationals could operate as profitably, or at all, without many of "those services." Enforcement of Apple's intellectual property? Protection of their brand and trademarks? The contracts they rely on? The banks they rely on? Safe passage of ships and aircraft carrying raw materials and finished goods? The security and safety of their executives and engineers?
- yummyfajitas 15y ago
  Enforcement of Apple's intellectual property? Protection of their brand and trademarks?... These are all benefits received by Apple USA, which pays income taxes to the US. Apple's Chinese subsidiaries (which is what we were discussing) do not receive those benefits from the US government, and hence do not pay for them.
  - easp 15y ago
    No. We are talking about Apple. You may be talking only about Apple's Chineese subsidiaries. Even so, they do not exist in a vacuum, and it is foolish to think that Apple's IP, brand and trademarks would be as secure in China without the global system of IP protection that the US government has been instrumental in building.

tobylane 15y ago

It also seems to owe a lot to LSD and the Buddhist temple he want to in Nepal.

JumpCrisscross 15y ago

Apple is a boon to the US economy. It adds a market capitalization exceeding the GDP of other sovereigns, high-paying jobs, and international prestige in design and technology. Apple also pays taxes to the US Treasury. These taxes, in addition to those on the incomes of its stakeholders, are meant to repay the presumed social debt Apple gains from being here. Whether those rates are set badly or the taxes squandered isn't Apple's question. A person across the Pacific could similarly ask, if Apple hired only Americans, why Apple insists on supporting the richest country while denying people in East Asia a meager income for a crime no greater than not being American.