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What about farsi and other languages that use arabic script but not arabic at all? I can write (with effort lol) indonesian or javanese in arabic script https:/

What about farsi and other languages that use arabic script but not arabic at all? I can write (with effort lol) indonesian or javanese in arabic script https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawi_script https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawi_script.

slim 4y ago
this applies to those languages as well
- friendlyHornet 4y ago
  And also Aramaic dialects like Syriac Syriac script looks completely different to Arabic but has the same issues when rendered
- areyousure 4y ago
  Mostly yes, and I think the OP is well-written. But note that in some cases, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajik_alphabet#Samples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajik_alphabet#Samples point number 2 won't be accurate. I'm not the best reader of Tajik written in (Perso-)Arabic script, but I don't believe "ال" appears in the samples there. (It does appear in the word "ALphabet" in the opening paragraph!)
LanceH 4y ago
Farsi has the letter "p" which Arabic does not. That letter has three dots on top (sometimes drawn like ^. I think there may be another. Arabic only has the "sh" sound with the three dots. Trying to read Farsi, it feels like I should know what's going on but am left with the feeling that I've forgotten all my Arabic. Then I'll see some of the bonus letters.
- FlyingSnake 4y ago
  > Trying to read Farsi Wait till you discover Urdu, which confuses Farsi speakers even more. For extra fun try the Nastaliq script.
- smcl 4y ago
  > Trying to read Farsi, it feels like I should know what's going on but am left with the feeling that I've forgotten all my Arabic This is what Dutch sounds like to me as an English speaker - plenty of common sounds with English; it has a similar speed, rhythm, intonation to English. It feels like I’m hearing English but have lost my faculties to parse it
  - jamiek88 4y ago
    Yes! It’s kinda like “hearing voices’. It sounds like English, but if you try and ‘tune in’ you can’t!
    - ben_w 4y ago
      As word games, I like sentences which sound valid in multiple languages, regardless of if the meaning is changed. "Goedemorgen, ik hoop dat je bent goed".
      - mcv 4y ago
        Always fun are sentences that sound very similar and are entirely correct in both languages but mean something completely different, like: He was in the war -- Hij was in de war (he was confused) A stiff in the brook -- Een stijve in de broek (a boner in the pants) Those are the two most famous examples I'm familiar with, but I'm sure there are a lot more.
        ben_w 4y ago
        An ex had the smaller example of incorrectly asking for "un préservatif" when she meant "un préserve". One of her friends was half of a multi-nationality couple, I think it was French and Irish, and the punchline was their kid, at a beach, yelling, in a strong Irish accent "Look mummy! Phoques!"
        mytailorisrich 4y ago
        If by "un préserve" they meant a preserve/marmalade then in French that's "une confiture" (or "marmelade" but it's less somewhat rare). I don't think "un préserve" is a word...
- 10000truths 4y ago
  There are four letters in Farsi that do not exist in Arabic - (گ ژ چ پ), which make the 'p', 'ch', 'zh' and 'g' sounds, respectively. But the underlying calligraphic system (RTL order, joining forms, harakat diacritics, and so on) is pretty much the same across the Arabic script and its descendants.
  - mcv 4y ago
    The same issue also exists in Latin script, where German has the ß, not to mention various umlauts, strikes, circles and cedilles modifying letters of the otherwise standard Latin script.
    - hnbad 4y ago
      I'd imagine it's more like seeing Vietnamese as a European: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_alphabet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_alphabet If you live in Europe and speak a language using a Latin script, you probably have come across most of the extensions other European languages add to the shared base in loanwords or foreign media. But then you look at something like Vietnamese and you are no longer sure how letters work.
- amir 4y ago
  "p" has three dots beneath it (پ), three dots on top is "s" (ث).
  - LanceH 4y ago
    Thanks, thought it was 3 dots on the Arabic "b". It really doesn't take long until you Farsi tries to sneak in some extra letters to figure out it's not Arabic. Looking back on it, I remember feeling like I can't remember Arabic, but part of it is that this also happens during that time when I'm getting used to the script. There is always an adjustment period with every new font/handwriting that takes a sentence or two to sort out the style before I truly start reading.
mytailorisrich 4y ago
That's actually what I expected the website to do: Is this Arabic vs. Farsi, etc?
bombcar 4y ago
Point 3 mentioned that: 3. The text is in the wrong Arabic-script language, for example Farsi in Egypt (Egyptians primarily speak an Egyptian Dialect of Arabic), or Modern Standard Arabic in Afghanistan (Afghans speak Dari, an Afghan Persian language). Comme l'alphabet latin, vous pouvez écrire différentes langues avec l'alphabet arabe.

slim 4y ago

this applies to those languages as well

friendlyHornet 4y ago
And also Aramaic dialects like Syriac Syriac script looks completely different to Arabic but has the same issues when rendered
areyousure 4y ago
Mostly yes, and I think the OP is well-written. But note that in some cases, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajik_alphabet#Samples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajik_alphabet#Samples point number 2 won't be accurate. I'm not the best reader of Tajik written in (Perso-)Arabic script, but I don't believe "ال" appears in the samples there. (It does appear in the word "ALphabet" in the opening paragraph!)

LanceH 4y ago

Farsi has the letter "p" which Arabic does not. That letter has three dots on top (sometimes drawn like ^. I think there may be another. Arabic only has the "sh" sound with the three dots. Trying to read Farsi, it feels like I should know what's going on but am left with the feeling that I've forgotten all my Arabic. Then I'll see some of the bonus letters.

FlyingSnake 4y ago
> Trying to read Farsi Wait till you discover Urdu, which confuses Farsi speakers even more. For extra fun try the Nastaliq script.
smcl 4y ago
> Trying to read Farsi, it feels like I should know what's going on but am left with the feeling that I've forgotten all my Arabic This is what Dutch sounds like to me as an English speaker - plenty of common sounds with English; it has a similar speed, rhythm, intonation to English. It feels like I’m hearing English but have lost my faculties to parse it
- jamiek88 4y ago
  Yes! It’s kinda like “hearing voices’. It sounds like English, but if you try and ‘tune in’ you can’t!
  - ben_w 4y ago
    As word games, I like sentences which sound valid in multiple languages, regardless of if the meaning is changed. "Goedemorgen, ik hoop dat je bent goed".
    - mcv 4y ago
      Always fun are sentences that sound very similar and are entirely correct in both languages but mean something completely different, like: He was in the war -- Hij was in de war (he was confused) A stiff in the brook -- Een stijve in de broek (a boner in the pants) Those are the two most famous examples I'm familiar with, but I'm sure there are a lot more.
      - ben_w 4y ago
        An ex had the smaller example of incorrectly asking for "un préservatif" when she meant "un préserve". One of her friends was half of a multi-nationality couple, I think it was French and Irish, and the punchline was their kid, at a beach, yelling, in a strong Irish accent "Look mummy! Phoques!"
        mytailorisrich 4y ago
        If by "un préserve" they meant a preserve/marmalade then in French that's "une confiture" (or "marmelade" but it's less somewhat rare). I don't think "un préserve" is a word...
10000truths 4y ago
There are four letters in Farsi that do not exist in Arabic - (گ ژ چ پ), which make the 'p', 'ch', 'zh' and 'g' sounds, respectively. But the underlying calligraphic system (RTL order, joining forms, harakat diacritics, and so on) is pretty much the same across the Arabic script and its descendants.
- mcv 4y ago
  The same issue also exists in Latin script, where German has the ß, not to mention various umlauts, strikes, circles and cedilles modifying letters of the otherwise standard Latin script.
  - hnbad 4y ago
    I'd imagine it's more like seeing Vietnamese as a European: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_alphabet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_alphabet If you live in Europe and speak a language using a Latin script, you probably have come across most of the extensions other European languages add to the shared base in loanwords or foreign media. But then you look at something like Vietnamese and you are no longer sure how letters work.
amir 4y ago
"p" has three dots beneath it (پ), three dots on top is "s" (ث).
- LanceH 4y ago
  Thanks, thought it was 3 dots on the Arabic "b". It really doesn't take long until you Farsi tries to sneak in some extra letters to figure out it's not Arabic. Looking back on it, I remember feeling like I can't remember Arabic, but part of it is that this also happens during that time when I'm getting used to the script. There is always an adjustment period with every new font/handwriting that takes a sentence or two to sort out the style before I truly start reading.

mytailorisrich 4y ago

That's actually what I expected the website to do: Is this Arabic vs. Farsi, etc?

bombcar 4y ago

Point 3 mentioned that: 3. The text is in the wrong Arabic-script language, for example Farsi in Egypt (Egyptians primarily speak an Egyptian Dialect of Arabic), or Modern Standard Arabic in Afghanistan (Afghans speak Dari, an Afghan Persian language). Comme l'alphabet latin, vous pouvez écrire différentes langues avec l'alphabet arabe.