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The word "encouraged" is doing a lot of work here, in the same dogwhistle sense as the thread above. ALLOWING a teenager desperate to bind her breasts, is not

The word "encouraged" is doing a lot of work here, in the same dogwhistle sense as the thread above. ALLOWING a teenager desperate to bind her breasts, is not encouragement. ACCEPTING a teenager and letting them know that this is OK - if they want it - in spite of what peers might think, is not encouragement. This is like "Pride" all over again. "If you're born gay, and are proud of it, i should be able to say I'm proud of being straight, what's the difference?". No, we're saying "we're proud of being gay" as a response to you saying "you should be ASHAMED of being gay". "Encouraged to transition" in almost all cases means "given the support, and resources to do so". But you are making it sound like someone is coming up to vulnerable girls and convincing them that they're trans and talking them into breast binding.

nailer 4y ago
The use of the term 'dogwhistle' is a dogwhistle for gender ideology. > ALLOWING a teenager desperate to bind her breasts, is not encouragement. We should not allow teenagers to harm themselves.
- deanCommie 4y ago
  If you had said "We should not allow teenagers to (go through major body-altering procedures without significant counselling, deep psychological evaluation, and allowing them to make other life changes such as changing schools first)", we could have a reasonable discussion about harm reduction and trade-offs of being wrong, or statistics of transition regret. But if you insist on using intentional language like categorizing all breast binding as "self-harm", then you're not really interested in having a debate are you? You've already decided what you believe, and you're going to pick the most incendiary "Won't anyone think of the children" language that only a monster would disagree with. But that was already obvious by your casual dismissal of the term dogwhistle, which shows you have no interest in discussing reality if you think it's a concept irrelevant to this context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)

nailer 4y ago

The use of the term 'dogwhistle' is a dogwhistle for gender ideology. > ALLOWING a teenager desperate to bind her breasts, is not encouragement. We should not allow teenagers to harm themselves.

deanCommie 4y ago
If you had said "We should not allow teenagers to (go through major body-altering procedures without significant counselling, deep psychological evaluation, and allowing them to make other life changes such as changing schools first)", we could have a reasonable discussion about harm reduction and trade-offs of being wrong, or statistics of transition regret. But if you insist on using intentional language like categorizing all breast binding as "self-harm", then you're not really interested in having a debate are you? You've already decided what you believe, and you're going to pick the most incendiary "Won't anyone think of the children" language that only a monster would disagree with. But that was already obvious by your casual dismissal of the term dogwhistle, which shows you have no interest in discussing reality if you think it's a concept irrelevant to this context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)